Why I won't be voting for Kevin Logan.

[KevinLoganCPA]

Sorry, folks, for not making it this weekend with the replies to your points.
Things got rather hectic and my best laid plans blew up in my face.

1. Regarding AIDS and God's punishment.

I think I was basing my writings on Paul's letter to the Romans (chapter 1). It says that God will eventually give the world up to its own practices. If they insist on being their own gods and doing things their own way then he will let them carry on.

God loves each of us to the point of sending his son to die in our place for our sins. But there does come a time when even a loving God will let men and women do as they wish.

2. Jaysay, is it fair to denigrate my column without reading it? You could log on to Lancashire Telegraph and go to Comment and find some back columns, if you like. Just a thought.

3. Garinda, in deed I stand corrected and promise to learn from my error. You did indeed refer to the eighties though why anybody should bother to itemise my every thought of that decade is beyond my ken.

More later...

[Gayle]

[quote=KevinLoganCPA;750924]

Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Hi Gayle

It's not what you look like, dinner lady or not.

I thought an up-front, modern lass like you would have known that.

And, anyway, what's wrong with School Dinner Ladies?

Some of the most genuine, real, nice ladies look after our kids at school.

Kevin logan

P.s. hope you don't mind me contributing to this group especially because I'm going to vote for myself. Keep smiling.

If you look back - all I did was post the message that I'd received on Facebook. It was actually Tealeaf who added the bit about Dinner Ladies, not me.

[KevinLoganCPA]

And now for something a bit more positive.

Maybe some of you might even agree with some of it.

It's about the Global Common Good.

As you probably know, grinding poverty still holds 2.8 billion people around the world in its grip. The Bible makes it clear with over 3,000 references to poverty that God hates injustice and that to love our neighbours as ourselves is a mandate that Britain should follow.

For the Christian Peoples Alliance, poverty is not an accident - it's driven by global injustice.

The global common good requires significant changes in the West, where powerful nations are wedded to empty consumerism, militarism and consumption of scarce resources that belong to all the planet. Christian Democrats want action to transform the policies of the world's financial institutions. The CPA will also press for Britain and its partners in the European Union to reach economic trade agreements with countries in the developing world that are not exploitative but fair.

And I ringing any bells for any of you yet?

Foreign and trade policies that address the root causes of discontent in the poverty and injustice of the developing world are the best long-term strategy for tackling terrorism. The CPA will therefore pursue policies that challenge the root causes of injustice, such as wars, generalised violence, persecution, human rights abuses, the arms trade, the crippling debt burden and unfair trade practices that distort the economies of poor countries.

Britain and its allies in the EU and US would do better to invest in schooling, tackling climate change, a free media and environmental protection than bombing campaigns, spyware and ID cards.

The European Union must not become a rich man's club. We will judge every measure by reference to our love for poorer global neighbours. This will require opening up our markets, ending subsidised agricultural export dumping and setting new standards of environmental protection.

Is there nothing here that you would vote for?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by KevinLoganCPA

1. Regarding AIDS and God's punishment.

I think I was basing my writings on Paul's letter to the Romans (chapter 1). It says that God will eventually give the world up to its own practices. If they insist on being their own gods and doing things their own way then he will let them carry on.

God loves each of us to the point of sending his son to die in our place for our sins. But there does come a time when even a loving God will let men and women do as they wish.

Well that's about as clear as mud.

Have you, or haven't you, changed your mind, when you proclaimed twenty odd years ago, that A.I.D.S was God's way of purging the world of sin? Even though today, especially in Sub-Saharan Africa, this disease is killing millions of men, women, and children, and is spread primarily by heterosexual union.

Or are these people sinners too?

I see no mention was made to the comment that the least affected group of people, regarding the spread of the H.I.V. virus, are female homosexuals. Don't they bring you out in the same frenzied obsession?

Your vile, and wrong assumptions, all those years ago, would have put people's health at risk. If they were stupid enough to believe they wouldn't need to protect themselves, if they were sexually active, because they didn't fit into your targeted group of 'sinners'.

You were a narrow minded, parochial little man, woefully impressed by the sound of your own voice, and your not very rational thinking, and this still seems the case today.

I, and am sure others, will do everything in our power, to make sure you don't garner any votes, from those who might be disillusioned with some of our main stream political parties.

Sadly you've more in common with Martin Borman than Martin Bell, and even less in common with Jesus Christ.

[garinda]

Incidentally, George Hargreaves, one of the founders of the Christian Peoples Alliance (sic), in a previous life wrote Sinitta's dance floor stompers 'So Macho', and 'Crusing'.

Oh the bitter sweet irony.

As we say in Lancashire, 'There's nowt as queer as folk'.

Especially it seems when it comes to those touched by the fervour of religious conversion.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by KevinLoganCPA

And now for something a bit more positive.

Maybe some of you might even agree with some of it.

It's about the Global Common Good.

As you probably know, grinding poverty still holds 2.8 billion people around the world in its grip. The Bible makes it clear with over 3,000 references to poverty that God hates injustice and that to love our neighbours as ourselves is a mandate that Britain should follow.

For the Christian Peoples Alliance, poverty is not an accident - it's driven by global injustice.

The global common good requires significant changes in the West, where powerful nations are wedded to empty consumerism, militarism and consumption of scarce resources that belong to all the planet. Christian Democrats want action to transform the policies of the world's financial institutions. The CPA will also press for Britain and its partners in the European Union to reach economic trade agreements with countries in the developing world that are not exploitative but fair.

And I ringing any bells for any of you yet?

Foreign and trade policies that address the root causes of discontent in the poverty and injustice of the developing world are the best long-term strategy for tackling terrorism. The CPA will therefore pursue policies that challenge the root causes of injustice, such as wars, generalised violence, persecution, human rights abuses, the arms trade, the crippling debt burden and unfair trade practices that distort the economies of poor countries.

Britain and its allies in the EU and US would do better to invest in schooling, tackling climate change, a free media and environmental protection than bombing campaigns, spyware and ID cards.

The European Union must not become a rich man's club. We will judge every measure by reference to our love for poorer global neighbours. This will require opening up our markets, ending subsidised agricultural export dumping and setting new standards of environmental protection.

Is there nothing here that you would vote for?

I reckon most right minded bods would go along with what you say in that statement Kevin..(Tories apart).. but to condem a section of our society to death.. wether it be in the past or not gives you no chance of getting a decent vote.. well at least I would hope not.. if you do then we are all doomed!

[Margaret Pilkington]

[quote=Gayle;750941]

Originally Posted by KevinLoganCPA

If you look back - all I did was post the message that I'd received on Facebook. It was actually Tealeaf who added the bit about Dinner Ladies, not me.

My understanding of this post was that Tealeaf refferred to Angela Merkell as looking like the Dinner Lady, not you, Gayle.......but I might have got hold of the wrong end of the stick.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I am hearing no bells......just a nasty buzzing noise.(note to self......Otex drops might sort it?).
I will not be voting for Mr Logan either.......for a few reasons.

1) He is too old....and yes, I do know that that may appear ageist, and there have been some elderly men involved in politics in the past. Some of whom have done a passable job....but maybe this was because they embarked on a political career earlier/had some background in politics.
Politics is not a cakewalk, and it would be very rigorous to have to travel to and from London and the local constituency....hazardous to the health of an elderly man.

2) To stand as a candidate for the CPA(who incidentally, I have never heard of before) is a waste of time.
Mr Logan talks about a lot of high flown ideas on how to repair this country.......as part of a minority party he would not have a hope in hell of having any influence in any of the policies that he says he feels need to be addressed.
I also think that Hyndburn would lose all credibility by putting a minority party candidate into parliament........it would confirm the Londoners assumptions that we up North are a sandwich short of a picnic.
3)Mr Logans background in the Church would be detrimental to him, inasmuch as he would have quite narrow views and ideas.....these have been formed over the years by his Christian dogmas. An MP for the area needs to be able to represent all of his constituents equally and without judgement of their life style choices.

No, Mr Logan, save your deposit. Stick with your writings in the Lancashire Telegraph and leave politics to those younger folk.

[garinda]

Anyone have a calculator?

795 votes seems like it will be less than a 5% share, and he'll have lost his deposit, hopefully.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Yes G....I think he has.......what a shame

[Margaret Pilkington]

Oh and his marbles too!

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Yes G....I think he has.......what a shame

God's moves aren't that mysterious after all.

I don't think he was one of the 795 that voted for him.

What's an attention seeking, self publicist, to do next?

795 is pitifully low result.

You could say he was crucified.

[Tealeaf]

Do you think Jeanetter Winterton voted for him?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

God's moves aren't that mysterious after all.

I don't think he was one of the 795 that voted for him.

What's an attention seeking, self publicist, to do next?

795 is pitifully low result.

You could say he was crucified.

It would appear there is a God after all, he made sure the bigoted vicar got short shrift at the ballot box and exactly what he deserved, a lost deposit

[AccyMad]

I'm just surprised he managed to get so many votes - he may be a Stanley supporter (a persuasion that normally stands anyone in good stead with me) but not in his case -795 people voted for him - really???