Why No Mention? - Page 2

flashy · 12-11-2010, 17:04

the islamic defence league where due to protest in Blackburn this week over the homecoming of some of our troops, it was on the local news earlier, why can't the authorities see it for what it is?

Less · 12-11-2010, 17:16

Perhaps it is time to re-introduce conscription?
A couple of years in the forces learning discipline, for everyone of the tender years 18 to 20?
Anyone that goes scurrying back to their Uncles village in Bangladesh to avoid it forfiets their British Nationality?
It would do two things, give our young unemployed something to be proud of compared with litter picking, and remove the untrustworthy from our society, let's go for it.

Margaret Pilkington · 12-11-2010, 17:34

Surely what these muslim men were doing is a criminal offence......inciting and stirring up racial unrest....surely the police should have stepped in and either arrested them or cautioned them...but ah no....of course not. That would be seen as racial discrimination.
How is it that racial discrimination is a one way street in the UK?

cashman · 12-11-2010, 17:41

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Originally Posted by Less

Perhaps it is time to re-introduce conscription?
A couple of years in the forces learning discipline, for everyone of the tender years 18 to 20?
Anyone that goes scurrying back to their Uncles village in Bangladesh to avoid it forfiets their British Nationality?
It would do two things, give our young unemployed something to be proud of compared with litter picking, and remove the untrustworthy from our society, let's go for it.

That is the best idea ive heard in yonks.

shame those in power would probably avoid it,like the plague.

DaveinGermany · 12-11-2010, 17:53

I'd agree to a point about that Less. My personal opinion is that not just these "British citizens", but all those who claim that title (but with no true ties by birth or family) so as to avail themselves of our rights to freedom & free speech generous welfare, housing & medical benefits should undergo the following procedures :-

6/12 Months education (at their own cost) to learn to speak a passable English reading & writing can come later.
Be able to financially support themselves & their dependants for 3 years (they've put nothing in so should get nothing out).
Persons of suitable age to serve with HM.Armed forces for a minimum of 5 years (French foreign legion do it !) But not in a support role, in an Infantry Battalion of would be British citizens serving where needed, therby confirming their true desire to assimilate into the service of the Crown & the British way, prepared to die for their chosen Country. Not much of a sacrifice really for British Nationality & the British way.

Generations of British & Commonwealth have made this sacrifice so we can live the lives we do, they want a part of it, they should be prepared to pay for it whatever the cost. Failing that go back to where they've come from.

Gordon Booth · 12-11-2010, 17:59

There's a lot on the internet about this( including all the main papers ) but NOTHING on the BBC website as far as I can see. I listen to Today in the morning and I don't think it was mentioned on there either. Is that the even, unbiased, non political reporting that the BBC claims or is it exactly what we have come to expect from OUR broadcaster?

Less · 12-11-2010, 18:19

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Generations of British & Commonwealth have made this sacrifice so we can live the lives we do, they want a part of it, they should be prepared to pay for it whatever the cost. Failing that go back to where they've come from.

I agree, it's not just our fathers they humiliate but their own, the members of their families were promised a British Citizenship they then made the sacrifice and their own children are ****ing on their graves.

Margaret Pilkington · 12-11-2010, 18:22

many times in the past I have suggested that incomers should have the wherewithal to support themselves and their families for three years.......once they have worked and put some value into the communal pot then they can be allowed to claim some benefits(my feeling about this is that they should be able to get basic healthcare needs and a subsistence allowance for a limited time(6 months). Only after being in the country and committing to working for five years should they be entitled to a full range of benefits.
This should apply to all comers.

As for the National Service Idea......well that is great too , but cannot see young british muslims wanting to do it...goodness me No, they might be sent out to Afghanistan.

You would hear their squeals of protest on the moon....you see, they are muslim first and British last(or a long way down the list).

Mancie · 12-11-2010, 18:27

Anyone should have the right to protest agaist war.. just as the many thousands that held the peaceful demo prior to the Irag war.. but when people turn out on a day that is dedicated to respecting the dead and spout out filth it is not a protest.. it is a direct insult to the whole country.

jaysay · 12-11-2010, 18:45

This is the first I've hard of it, don't think it was mentioned on the BBC this morning and I haven't been on line to look at the papers today as I've been to hospital, but this isn't the first time these tings ave happened and the police have stood there and done nothing, they're frightened to death of being hit by the race card, enough is enough the laws are there to deal with things like this for gods sake use them

Tealeaf · 12-11-2010, 18:50

Two points, boys & girls:

1) The Poppy burning happened. I was chatting to one of the cops earlier on today who witnessed it. Later on this afternoon, someone pointed out some graffitti in a men's trap here in central London which read 'Page from the Koran -->', with the arrow pointed towards the bog roll dispenser. There was also a date on there - 11/11/10.

2) Some of you may well recall the city riots last year when some drunken news vendor fell over after giving some gip to a policeman; he subsequently died, although that could have happened at any time.

As a result of that, the Met have been issued with new guidance as to how to deal with troublesome protestors. They can't wack 'em any more; truncheons & boots are out. The most they can now do is snatch and contain. That is why we saw all this 'do nothing' nonsense on wednesday night outside the Millbank Tower & the cops standing by in front of the poppy burning 'ceremony'.

Personally, I would have gone in there with flamethrowers and tanks, but that is only my humble opinion.

Less · 12-11-2010, 18:58

As for the national service idea, I served in the Navy, we, like the other forces were proud that we were volunteers, I have always carried that idea with me, but, give the kids a chance, better to serve your country in the forces than to be conscripted to the litter service?
The people that already do that have my admiration.
But why oh why teach our children and unemployed adults, this is all you are worth when their biggest crime is to be unemployed.

Mancie · 12-11-2010, 19:01

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Originally Posted by Less

As for the national service idea, I served in the Navy, we, like the other forces were proud that we were volunteers, I have always carried that idea with me, but, give the kids a chance, better to serve your country in the forces than to be conscripted to the litter service?
The people that already do that have my admiration.
But why oh why teach our children and unemployed adults, this is all you are worth when their biggest crime is to be unemployed.

The idea of bringing back National Service is a non starter and unrealistic.. we can't afford it.

shillelagh · 12-11-2010, 19:03

i would have thought .. sticking them in the army, navy, airforce would give them training that we dont want them to have ..

by the way they've arrested the bloke that threw the fire extinguisher off millbank .. a student at cambridge .. now wheres the arrests for the poppy burning ...

BBC News - Arrest over fire extinguisher throwing at student march

by the way i dont agree with all the violence that happened on wednesday... nor the wrecking of millbank .. cos that is now having to be repaired by taxpayers money ...

jaysay · 12-11-2010, 19:05

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Two points, boys & girls:

1) The Poppy burning happened. I was chatting to one of the cops earlier on today who witnessed it. Later on this afternoon, someone pointed out some graffitti in a men's trap here in central London which read 'Page from the Koran -->', with the arrow pointed towards the bog roll dispenser. There was also a date on there - 11/11/10.

2) Some of you may well recall the city riots last year when some drunken news vendor fell over after giving some gip to a policeman; he subsequently died, although that could have happened at any time.

As a result of that, the Met have been issued with new guidance as to how to deal with troublesome protestors. They can't wack 'em any more; truncheons & boots are out. The most they can now do is snatch and contain. That is why we saw all this 'do nothing' nonsense on wednesday night outside the Millbank Tower & the cops standing by in front of the poppy burning 'ceremony'.

Personally, I would have gone in there with flamethrowers and tanks, but that is only my humble opinion.

Well not flamethrowers and tanks Tealeaf, but whats wrong with water cannons