Why this Persecution of Christian England?

[chav1]

if i was in need of help i wouldnt care what religious papers were left for me to read as long as i was getting the help i needed

no one makes people read the literature left for you to read

the giddions have been leaving bibles in hotels all over the world for years so are they going to be stopped

[WillowTheWhisp]

I don't think the hungry homeless people objected at all. It apparently came from the goverment department which assists with funding.

[WillowTheWhisp]

That was meant for the government not for you chav.

[chav1]

if it wasnt for the goventment these places wouldnt be needed and all the government can do is make it harder for these people to do a job that they shouldnt be required to do in the first place

did that make sense lol

[WillowTheWhisp]

Your post makes sense but the situation doesn't.

[big al]

Sadly Christianity has shot itself in the foot as shown by the Mail article & the erosion of christian values. Wern't the dark ages caused in the name of christianity, tyranical religious leaders inflicting their ideals by force, The Borgias involved in everything contrary to the ideals of Christs teachings. Men & women taking on the mantle of religion in seminaries & convents only to come out declaring themselves athiests. The system was corrupted between the 1st & 4th century when Consantine agreed to integrate paganism with so called christian values & has gone downhill ever since. As the good book says "As you sow, so shall you reap" & probably more appropriate "the dog has returned to its own vomit". Religion & politics are as compatible as oil & water, the religious leaders have meddled too far in a regime they do not have any right to & watch this space-rumblings are starting to put them in their place. Hence articles like the Mail on Sunday.

[Acrylic-bob]

Hmm, interesting thought but I was always under the impression that the so called Dark Ages were a result of the splitting and ultimate collapse of the Roman Empire and it's inability to withstand the onslaught of barbarian invasions from the east and the north.

[ossyclogger]

Probably because it's easy to do. Christians don't generally start riots everytime they feel their religion is threatened or abused.

[Tealeaf]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Hmm, interesting thought but I was always under the impression that the so called Dark Ages were a result of the splitting and ultimate collapse of the Roman Empire and it's inability to withstand the onslaught of barbarian invasions from the east and the north.

I always thought the Dark Ages refer to the period of Peter Britcliffe's control of Hyndburn Borough Council.

[garinda]

I enjoyed the Dark Ages.

I was young then, and we had a grand old time unseen from Rome.

[big al]

Remind me not to be sitting next to Garinda next time there is a power cut!
Re Rome- the collapse of the Roman Empire was brought about because of the decline of the moral values established to christians. Their attack on the God fearing folk of their time putting them in the arena to be torn apart by wild animals & so on was directly influenced by the integration of the barbarism of pagan ideologies. This eventually eroded the Roman family values & once the family has been taken apart what is left but lack of moral fibre & lack of respect for life. "Sixteen year old girl tortured & killed by six men", Murders are relegated to the back pages as not newsworthy due to "Football star has a fling" or ministerial scandal etc, we are a society crying out for scandal, notoriety & decadance to capture the front pages- as I said before "the dog is returning to its own vomit."

[garinda]

Your loss.

I would have used the time to teach you not to believe everything you read, re: the prisoner in China!

You would have left wiser and much refreshed.


Big it up.

[big al]

Your words Garinda- but definitely not mine!

[Acrylic-bob]

Originally Posted by big al

Re Rome- the collapse of the Roman Empire was brought about because of the decline of the moral values established to christians. Their attack on the God fearing folk of their time putting them in the arena to be torn apart by wild animals & so on was directly influenced by the integration of the barbarism of pagan ideologies. This eventually eroded the Roman family values & once the family has been taken apart what is left but lack of moral fibre & lack of respect for life.

In a word- tosh!

Where do you get your history from big al, The Paranoid Christian's Big Book of Naughty Things?

Try Edward Gibbon and then some of the modern historians; Fustel de Coulanges and Yann Le Bohec are both very good.

Jacob Burkhardt on Constantine is also very Illuminating.

[ossyclogger]

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