Wiki Leaks - Page 3

Neil · 30-11-2010, 08:35

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

Mossad dont need to 'fly over'.
They are murdering the scientists that operate the nuclear plants.

One today -
Iranian nuclear scientist 'killed by Mossad or the CIA' - Telegraph
..and another earlier this year -
France24 - Nuclear scientist killed in bomb blast; foreign ministry blames US, Israel

Whats your point?
Are you for or against it?

Eric · 30-11-2010, 08:46

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Originally Posted by Neil

Whats your point?
Are you for or against it?

I've rarely seen a more disingenuous post than this.

jaysay · 30-11-2010, 10:15

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Originally Posted by Eric

I've rarely seen a more disingenuous post than this.

Hell Eric stop using long words on here

MargaretR · 30-11-2010, 12:09

The info revealed by Wikileaks is limited to what whistleblowers have revealed.
It is mainly focused on the devious dealings of the government of the USA, because their sloppy security allowed vast numbers of military personnel computer access to that info.
Wikileaks does not comment or draw conclusions from the info supplied.
It just exists to publicise the info which has been revealed.

We should not conclude that the info represents 'all there is to know', since those revelations are just the tip of an iceburg of secret dealings.

Maybe it will encourage more whistleblowers to reveal what they know, which is a good thing to happen. A true democracy should not have secrets.

Neil · 30-11-2010, 12:51

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

A true democracy should not have secrets.

Don't be silly.

Tealeaf · 30-11-2010, 13:05

It would be nice to have some Wikileaks from HBC - or even ASFC.

Neil · 30-11-2010, 13:16

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

It would be nice to have some Wikileaks from HBC - or even ASFC.

I leaked about the salt delivery

MargaretR · 30-11-2010, 13:20

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Originally Posted by Neil

Don't be silly.

So you think that politicians have the right to lie?
Here's one who didn't - maybe it was the reason for his assassination which happened a few weeks later.

Transcript of speech that President John F. Kennedy gave at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel on April 27, 1961

"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions."

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations."

DaveinGermany · 30-11-2010, 13:32

At the end of the day what will it bring ? And are we really surprised at the depths of some of these "Scandals".That we're more aware of the deceit & lies so we'll trust them even less than we do now ? Think the trust of the public is already there. No I don't see any great changes, perhaps a reshufle of the most embarrassing proponents but that's it. You & I won't have any more money in the bank, we won't have more jobs or food on the table from it all, just more seething resentment.

Tealeaf · 30-11-2010, 13:33

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

So you think that politicians have the right to lie?
Here's one who didn't - maybe it was the reason for his assassination which happened a few weeks later.

Transcript of speech that President John F. Kennedy gave at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel on April 27, 1961

Kennedy was assassinated 22nd November 1963 - more than a few weeks later, I think.

Idiot.

MargaretR · 30-11-2010, 13:39

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Kennedy was assassinated 22nd November 1963 - more than a few weeks later, I think.

Idiot.

OK - I should have said 'years'
YouTube - jfk speech that got him killed

Neil · 30-11-2010, 13:47

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

So you think that politicians have the right to lie?

If lives are at stake then yes

cashman · 30-11-2010, 14:38

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

So you think that politicians have the right to lie?
Here's one who didn't - maybe it was the reason for his assassination which happened a few weeks later.

Transcript of speech that President John F. Kennedy gave at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel on April 27, 1961

"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions."

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations."

so are ya saying john f kennedy was as honest as the day is long? utter ballcocks, or did he just tell the truth in that instance?

MargaretR · 30-11-2010, 14:50

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Originally Posted by cashman

so are ya saying john f kennedy was as honest as the day is long? utter ballcocks, or did he just tell the truth in that instance?

You have previously said that JFK lost credibilty with you because of his marital infidelities.
No-one can be aware of the status of a marriage unless you are in it.
Since Jaqueline Kennedy's death, facts have come to light that indicate that she was aware of his promiscuous lifestyle and she was indulging in infidelity herself.

If the integrity of a politician is dependant on a monogamous marriage then few politicians can be deemed to have any integrity.

cashman · 30-11-2010, 14:54

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

You have previously said that JFK lost credibilty with you because of his marital infidelities.
No-one can be aware of the status of a marriage unless you are in it.
Since Jaqueline Kennedy's death, facts have come to light that indicate that she was aware of his promiscuous lifestyle and she was indulging in infidelity herself.

If the integrity of a politician is dependant on a monogamous marriage then few politicians can be deemed to have any integrity.

balls its either "Truth or Lies" aint selective.