william hague

cmonstanley · 28-05-2013, 22:54

he is never to be seen , he then pops up about syrian rebels .thats about 3 times ive seen him on the news this year and all he mentions is Syrian rebels.I think this would be a grave mistake giving them weapons.we dont know who they are there are so many factions and nationalities involved.what is it about this obsession about syria

accyman · 28-05-2013, 23:19

give it a year and the guns we sell this lot will be shooting at our troops

cashman · 29-05-2013, 07:43

Agree 100% This is probably about revenue not aid.

The fact such weapons may well be used against British Soldiers in future, means sod all to a Tory.

DtheP47 · 29-05-2013, 08:19

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Agree 100% The fact such weapons may well be used against British Soldiers in future, means sod all to a Tory.

Been on a couple of Aerospace Trade Missions where the Trade Envoy was a royal known affectionately as Airmiles A (not). Same applies there Mr C

jaysay · 29-05-2013, 08:24

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Been on a couple of Aerospace Trade Missions where the Trade Envoy was a royal known affectionately as Airmiles A (not). Same applies there Mr C

Why let the truth get in the way of a good government bashing exercise hay Mr. D.

cashman · 29-05-2013, 08:49

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Why let the truth get in the way of a good government bashing exercise hay Mr. D.

So the fact Hague wants to supply arms to a force that partly consists of our enemies,is acceptable to you?

Must be no matter what yeh say, cos yeh didn't comment otherwise.

jaysay · 29-05-2013, 08:51

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So the fact Hague wants to supply arms to a force that partly consists of our enemies,is acceptable to you?

Must be no matter what yeh say, cos yeh didn't comment otherwise.

and this government is the only one to do it

cashman · 29-05-2013, 08:53

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and this government is the only one to do it

Makes no odds who does it, yeh still don't condemn it, Typical Tory philosophy.

DtheP47 · 29-05-2013, 08:56

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and this government is the only one to do it

Hawk jets to Indonesia..Robin Cook opposed the deal when in opposition Yet once in government, a remarkable turnaround occurred and he was reduced to being an apologist for continued sales to Indonesia. The government's policy, he explained, "was to pursue economic co-operation without being silenced on human rights.

Fact is gents last time I looked we were the second largest armament producer in the world US of A of course holding top spot.

DtheP47 · 29-05-2013, 08:59

Found this too:
. At the end of Labour's first term in office, Campaign Against The Arms Trade (CAAT)'s Chris Wrigley concluded that "repressive behaviour, denial of human rights and absence of democracy were not accepted as being in themselves reasons for blocking sales. It is clear that intervention against the trade is considered to be marginal and exceptional, and permission is the norm."

jaysay · 29-05-2013, 09:05

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Hawk jets to Indonesia..Robin Cook opposed the deal when in opposition Yet once in government, a remarkable turnaround occurred and he was reduced to being an apologist for continued sales to Indonesia. The government's policy, he explained, "was to pursue economic co-operation without being silenced on human rights.

Fact is gents last time I looked we were the second largest armament producer in the world US of A of course holding top spot.

Ya and I remember the promise of whiter than white government pre 1997 which turned into the sleaziest government reign in history

cashman · 29-05-2013, 09:13

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Ya and I remember the promise of whiter than white government pre 1997 which turned into the sleaziest government reign in history

History, which most people are well aware of, Still it saves yeh having to comment on Hagues behaviour.

Which is what the thread is about.

Wynonie Harris · 29-05-2013, 09:24

Sheer madness. Has this present government learnt nothing from our disastrous involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan? Here we have this pompous little prat strutting around on the international stage pretending to be a world statesman and for what? We don't even know properly who the Syrian opposition are. We could end up with an Islamist government in that country who are actively promoting the war on terror against us. Even worse, "mission creep" could see our troops in that country, putting their lives on the line for nothing. Meddling in Middle Eastern affairs has brought us grief before and it will again!

cashman · 29-05-2013, 09:53

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Sheer madness. Has this present government learnt nothing from our disastrous involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan? Here we have this pompous little prat strutting around on the international stage pretending to be a world statesman and for what? We don't even know properly who the Syrian opposition are. We could end up with an Islamist government in that country who are actively promoting the war on terror against us. Even worse, "mission creep" could see our troops in that country, putting their lives on the line for nothing. Meddling in Middle Eastern affairs has brought us grief before and it will again!

But thats fine,with those who really are a Tory at heart, Rather than condemn, they recall previous knobheads mistakes.

Less · 29-05-2013, 10:05

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But thats fine,with those who really are a Tory at heart, Rather than condemn, they recall previous knobheads mistakes.

It is strange, the human race is supposed to improve, (in theory), with each generation.

How can it though? If people use a mistake made by someone in the past be it the recent past or distant to say that it is perfectly alright to deliberately make the same mistake again.