Women & Work

Bonnyboy · 06-01-2008, 23:19

I will assume (idiot I know) that from lets say the late 60’s that it started to become more acceptable for women to go out to work. Independence for the ladies…excellent. Families become generally more prosperous…great.

Has this “new” lifestyle contributed to there being huge amounts of debt owed by many families. The “keep up with the Jones’ syndrome” type thing ?

Perhaps more importantly, has this contributed to the streets being full ,of what appears to be, more delinquents than ever before ?

garinda · 06-01-2008, 23:26

I think you'll find that in this part of the industrialised world, that women have been going out to work since the 1860's.

cherokee · 06-01-2008, 23:31

Perhaps more importantly, has this contributed to the streets being full ,of what appears to be, more delinquents than ever before ?

Think thats down to parents and police not being allowed to give a clip round the ear.

Bonnyboy · 06-01-2008, 23:34

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Originally Posted by garinda

I think you'll find that in this part of the industrialised world, that women have been going out to work since the 1860's.

You are most likely correct, they would work out of necessity I expect, the questions I posed was a generalisation to say the least. Just wondered if the questions “held any water” as they say.

lancsdave · 06-01-2008, 23:34

I think the general conscensus is that the delinquents on the streets are not there because their parents are working, it's more likely their parents are at home drunk out of their minds.

Bonnyboy · 06-01-2008, 23:37

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Originally Posted by cherokee

Think thats down to parents and police not being allowed to give a clip round the ear.

It's the parenting issue I was asking about, maybe there is nobody there to give them a clip around the ear, even if it was allowed.

garinda · 06-01-2008, 23:38

Women from the ages of eight or nine have worked in the Lancashire mills for generations, and still found time to raise families who somehow managed to live within their meagre means.

Personally I blame Thatcher. Sadly in the eighties the psyche of the British changed forever. Sod helping your neighbour, it was all about me, me, me, and what I want, and to hell with the rest of you.

cashman · 06-01-2008, 23:40

dont think that has contributed much to that, (debt i mean) think standards did decline somewhat in late 60s though, due to young folk (like me) having loads of dosh,n knowing it all, which seemed great at the time, but in retrospect

everythings much simpler with hindsight.

Bonnyboy · 06-01-2008, 23:42

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

I think the general conscensus is that the delinquents on the streets are not there because their parents are working, it's more likely their parents are at home drunk out of their minds.

That's a larger generalisation than my initial one. Lots of our yobs come from what should be a good background. Nice house, couple of cars, house full of gadgets. But has mother been at home?

garinda · 06-01-2008, 23:43

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy

But has mother been at home?

Mother yes, and perhaps the second step-father, or current partner.

Bonnyboy · 06-01-2008, 23:43

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Originally Posted by cashman

dont think that has contributed much to that, (debt i mean) think standards did decline somewhat in late 60s though, due to young folk (like me) having loads of dosh,n knowing it all, which seemed great at the time, but in retrospect

everythings much simpler with hindsight.

Hindsight is great, must say I wish I had it

cherokee · 06-01-2008, 23:46

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy

It's the parenting issue I was asking about, maybe there is nobody there to give them a clip around the ear, even if it was allowed.

Nah im with rindy here , women have worked for years and still managed to raise familes and keep their kids under control .
On this issue IMO its all down to the non parent doo gooders telling us how to raise our children and thinking they are better for it . (the children i mean)
Dont get me wrong i dont agree with lethering kiddies but it never hurt any of us to get a clout if we did wrong or even to get the cane at school. nowadays even the teachers darent say boo to em .

Bonnyboy · 06-01-2008, 23:47

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Originally Posted by garinda

Mother yes, and perhaps the second step-father, or current partner.

The issue of divorce must have an effect ( I think that was what your point was) Divorce seemed to be a taboo topic in the early 60's now it is barely a talking point.

Bonnyboy · 06-01-2008, 23:50

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Originally Posted by cherokee

Nah im with rindy here , women have worked for years and still managed to raise familes and keep their kids under control .
On this issue IMO its all down to the non parent doo gooders telling us how to raise our children and thinking they are better for it . (the children i mean)
Dont get me wrong i dont agree with lethering kiddies but it never hurt any of us to get a clout if we did wrong or even to get the cane at school. nowadays even the teachers darent say boo to em .

I agree, disciplne seems to have gone right out the window

cashman · 06-01-2008, 23:51

though its a generalisation i think its more a case of= monkey see, monkey do,with kids, in many cases whatever happens at home when young,seems to be the norm.