Work for dole

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by polly

I see you can not justify your criticism

I see you can't come up with a viable list.Just tell me what they can legally do.

[cashman]

think the whole idea would be much better creating "Real Jobs" then fer me when those are in place, bounce the bloody lot, that CAN work but don't want too. this to me is just another bull idea to massage the unemployment figures, n theres obviously people to dumb to see it.

[Loz]

Why should they work for their dole money?
Take the dole money away and make them work for real wages,paying tax and NI.
If any are prepared to work for their dole money then surely they would be willing to work for more?
It just seems nonsensical to me!

[polly]

They should work for their dole money to earn self respect and the respect of their families.
At a meeting earlier this week a woman approached me with a problem about a14 year old boy who has been excluded from school. He is now languishing in the local Pupil Referal Unit. He has three generations before him who have never worked, just lived off the state. Clearly the boy sees no point in being in school as he has no intention of ever working for a living.
These are the type of families who have to be jolted out of their complacency and made to take responsibility for themselves.
Because we live in a high technology society we are never going to have work for all as in paid employment, we will have to create jobs, things that are socially desirable.

[jaysay]

Just a little wonder, on TV this morning it aid that 17% of young people are not working or in any kind of education, the government figures are only about 7%. I just wonder if anybody saw the program on Thursday night on the BBC about benefit cheats, its amazing just what lengths some people will go to cheat the system. I Woman and her cousin were claiming beneits in about 195 different names, they had an house set up like an office and they were treating it as a fll time job fidling the state, I think they had picked up about £2.7 million over 10 years, they are both doing 8 years for fraud

[beechy]

working for dole payments ?
as all the previous posts, doing what ?
members of society who have been placed
on community service rather than recieve harsher penalties
are turning up to be told not enough work to do today
i think that just about sums it up for me

[Less]

Originally Posted by polly

See my posting above and that is without spending any time thinking.

I know the private sector - particularly new fledgling companies could make use of subsidised labour and this in turn would stimulate the private sector ecconomy

Somebody seems to have had a bit of a U-turn, what a shame I admired what you said in an earlier thread.

Originally Posted by polly

Yes, off the top of my head all my staff are paid above NMW, the professionals are paid well above that, the unqualified average about 7.00 or 7.50 per hour., less of course for those under 18 (only one of those).

I pay these rates because I havnt got time or the energy to keep replacing staff, and it works
We have in this country a NMW culture whereby staff know that regardless of what they do, where they do it and how well or badly they do it they will get the same wage. The consequence of this is they put no effort and enthusiasm into their work, you can see this particularly in the Service Sector

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...s-39733-5.html

By the way less of the 'these people', type grouping, they, you and I, (i.e. We), all belong to the same wicked society that allows the employers to fiddle their taxes and employ people on the black economy.

[onlyme]

These sort of posts really get up my nose. I have worked for the last 17 years, paying into the system. For the last 2 of those, as a single parent paying £500 a month childcare whilst getting no working tax credits as I was above the payment threshold.

Couple of months ago, was made redundant and now receiving the grand total of 60.50 a week and 46 ish for my child.
Out of that I have to pay an additional 150 a mont for my house that I have lived in for the last 3 years.

I would love to work, however whilst my child is only part time at school, getting a job to fit around that is difficult. Its frustrating as I have years of experience, worked hard to climb the 'career ladder' and have developed skills that I could be using.

I doubt I am the only one. There are a alot of single parents that are in this trap where they cant work. If the Government or companies looked further into remote working etc, I think this would improve the situation no end. Set up costs are minimal and there are scores of skilled workers that would welcome the opportunity.

Strings like this just demonise those claiming benefits. Some of us have little choice

[cashman]

Originally Posted by onlyme

These sort of posts really get up my nose. I have worked for the last 17 years, paying into the system. For the last 2 of those, as a single parent paying £500 a month childcare whilst getting no working tax credits as I was above the payment threshold.

Couple of months ago, was made redundant and now receiving the grand total of 60.50 a week and 46 ish for my child.
Out of that I have to pay an additional 150 a mont for my house that I have lived in for the last 3 years.

I would love to work, however whilst my child is only part time at school, getting a job to fit around that is difficult. Its frustrating as I have years of experience, worked hard to climb the 'career ladder' and have developed skills that I could be using.

I doubt I am the only one. There are a alot of single parents that are in this trap where they cant work. If the Government or companies looked further into remote working etc, I think this would improve the situation no end. Set up costs are minimal and there are scores of skilled workers that would welcome the opportunity.

Strings like this just demonise those claiming benefits. Some of us have little choice

thats a sample of society that the bitch with a state funeral created only me,not much ya do about it.

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by Eric

When the question of working for welfare came up in Ontario it recieved the cold shoulder it deserves .... most Ontarians told their MLAs that they should spend their efforts to create real jobs, instead of make-work for the recipients of social aid. And, would making welfare recipients work for their meagre payments not take work away from the working poor?

That’s my view too Eric.

The real problem is the minimum wage. Having a minimum wage doesn’t encourage some employers to pay the going rate for the job because they know that as long as they pay the minimum wage the law cannot touch them.

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by Less

By the way less of the 'these people', type grouping, they, you and I, (i.e. We), all belong to the same wicked society that allows the employers to fiddle their taxes and employ people on the black economy.

Well said Less, probably more people fiddling taxes and EXPENSES in this country than those fiddling benefits. Some of those are the ones who make the decisions that say those on benefits have to work.

[Benipete]

Still no list then Polly - You must be having a long hard think.Good for you.

[polly]

Originally Posted by Benipete

Still no list then Polly - You must be having a long hard think.Good for you.

No, I just decided that a list would be wasted on someone who could not read the existing one and could not string enough words together for a couner argument.

[polly]

Originally Posted by onlyme

These sort of posts really get up my nose. I have worked for the last 17 years, paying into the system. For the last 2 of those, as a single parent paying £500 a month childcare whilst getting no working tax credits as I was above the payment threshold.

Couple of months ago, was made redundant and now receiving the grand total of 60.50 a week and 46 ish for my child.
Out of that I have to pay an additional 150 a mont for my house that I have lived in for the last 3 years.

I would love to work, however whilst my child is only part time at school, getting a job to fit around that is difficult. Its frustrating as I have years of experience, worked hard to climb the 'career ladder' and have developed skills that I could be using.

I doubt I am the only one. There are a alot of single parents that are in this trap where they cant work. If the Government or companies looked further into remote working etc, I think this would improve the situation no end. Set up costs are minimal and there are scores of skilled workers that would welcome the opportunity.

Strings like this just demonise those claiming benefits. Some of us have little choice

Strings like these make people wonder where there money is going. I don't think anyone is having a go at anyone genuinely unable to work because of family circumstances, certainly not me as I am only one step away from it myself
Tele working would be ideal for many, including the disabled (though there should not be an pressure to force those genuinely unwell back into the workforce) The amount it would cost would be negligible compared with benefits that might be paid over a number of years.
I think many, particularly small employers would go for the idea. I know virtual PA's are always popular

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by polly

No, I just decided that a list would be wasted on someone who could not read the existing one and could not string enough words together for a couner argument.

Your spelling says it all.