Work for dole

Bonnyboy · 18-07-2008, 22:41

New proposals leaked - Work for dole

Don’t know what they will have people doing, lots of folk are being laid off now or it’s certainly looming for many.

It wont affect the severely disabled , parents of very young children or carers.

From my own point of view I would like to see more help for carers to gain employment ( those which can obviously ) My experience up to now is that if you explain your circumstance in an interview situation the employer sees you as a prospective liability.

Anyway, working for your dole, is it good, is it bad, will these people be abused by some employers, any views ?

forceten · 18-07-2008, 22:49

Why shouldn't they work for the dole money they are getting. I've spoken to many people who are on the dole and they come out with the comment "I don't get paid till next week or whatever" Dont get PAID??????????????? Just where does that come from?

What are they getting paid for????

To me they are getting money for nothing, and to say they don't get paid is taking the mick.

I couldn't work during the day as I had disabled child, but I took on evening work when my husbund was at home to look after my child, so that we both went out to work.

People fiddle the system, and lets by honest here............if there parents fiddle it and brag about it then they will do it too won't they?

BERNADETTE · 18-07-2008, 22:54

I'm all for the proposals but just wonder where the jobs are going to materialise from, I understand the work in the community bit but surely that could only carry on for so long!!

Bonnyboy · 18-07-2008, 23:04

You would think that in this day and age we would be able to have a totally “fiddle free” system.

Agree in full that those who can should do some sort of work for their benefit money.

polly · 18-07-2008, 23:27

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

I'm all for the proposals but just wonder where the jobs are going to materialise from, I understand the work in the community bit but surely that could only carry on for so long!!

Creating the jobs would be easy. they don't have to be in the private sector what is wrong with old idea of public work for public money?
William Wodruff in his book The Road To Nab End talks about his father who whilst unemployed applied for assistance and was given the task of clening the Queen Victoria statue on Blackburn Boulevard.
I seem to remembeer my grandmother talking about Whitebirk Drive being built by unemployed men
Now I dont for one minute think we need any more roads built but everywhere you go there are weeds growing and verges that need more regular tending than they currently receive. As we all know our hospitals desperately need more cleaning and look at practically any public building and you will see dirty windows. So many times we are told that projects can not go ahead because there is not the money to pay for the labour yet we are paying peop0le to do nothing?!!!

We need to be sensible of course people who genuinely become unemployed need time to seek work but after about months I would have thought most genuine people would want to get back to work

Benipete · 18-07-2008, 23:31

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy

You would think that in this day and age we would be able to have a totally “fiddle free” system.

Agree in full that those who can should do some sort of work for their benefit money.

Maybe we should start a list of what these people can do,baring in mind that thousands of people in work are claiming more in benefits than people who are not.

Keeps the unemployment figures down.
so before we get into another 500 thread post,post a list because I can't think of anything

polly · 18-07-2008, 23:36

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Originally Posted by Benipete

Maybe we should start a list of what these people can do,baring in mind that thousands of people in work are claiming more in benefits than people who are not.

Keeps the unemployment figures down.
so before we get into another 500 thread post,post a list because I can't think of anything

See my posting above and that is without spending any time thinking.

I know the private sector - particularly new fledgling companies could make use of subsidised labour and this in turn would stimulate the private sector ecconomy

Eric · 18-07-2008, 23:37

When the question of working for welfare came up in Ontario it recieved the cold shoulder it deserves .... most Ontarians told their MLAs that they should spend their efforts to create real jobs, instead of make-work for the recipients of social aid. And, would making welfare recipients work for their meagre payments not take work away from the working poor?

BERNADETTE · 18-07-2008, 23:38

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Originally Posted by polly

Creating the jobs would be easy. they don't have to be in the private sector what is wrong with old idea of public work for public money?
William Wodruff in his book The Road To Nab End talks about his father who whilst unemployed applied for assistance and was given the task of clening the Queen Victoria statue on Blackburn Boulevard.
I seem to remembeer my grandmother talking about Whitebirk Drive being built by unemployed men
Now I dont for one minute think we need any more roads built but everywhere you go there are weeds growing and verges that need more regular tending than they currently receive. As we all know our hospitals desperately need more cleaning and look at practically any public building and you will see dirty windows. So many times we are told that projects can not go ahead because there is not the money to pay for the labour yet we are paying peop0le to do nothing?!!!

We need to be sensible of course people who genuinely become unemployed need time to seek work but after about months I would have thought most genuine people would want to get back to work

Whilst I agree with a lot of what you say can you really see it working in this day and age? The people who really know how to play the system will be able to tell you just how much they are entitled to for basic living!!
To me it is just another clutching at straws ploy that hasn't been thought out it would need stringent monitoring and at the end of the day it takes a lot of them all their time to get out of bed to sign!!

Benipete · 18-07-2008, 23:39

See my posting above and that is without spending any time thinking.

That is quite obvious.

MCR ADIM · 18-07-2008, 23:45

i think it should be done as to many people who can work and are fully able to work, no young children etc but they just cant be bothered so maybe if they had to work for it than they would just find a full time or part time job,

polly · 18-07-2008, 23:52

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Originally Posted by Benipete

See my posting above and that is without spending any time thinking.

That is quite obvious.

I see you can not justify your criticism

polly · 18-07-2008, 23:56

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Whilst I agree with a lot of what you say can you really see it working in this day and age? The people who really know how to play the system will be able to tell you just how much they are entitled to for basic living!!
To me it is just another clutching at straws ploy that hasn't been thought out it would need stringent monitoring and at the end of the day it takes a lot of them all their time to get out of bed to sign!!

Yes the real workshy will stay in their beds and keep to their daytime tv. However it would shou us all who the real unemployed and would be of great help to employers so we know who is at an interview 'cos the dole sent them' and those who are prepared to work and along the way society would benefit.

If we assume that all of us who pay tax and NI and all of those who are now retired and have paid the aforementioned are the real employers of the unemployed I doubt that many of us would choose to continue paying dosers to do nothing

BERNADETTE · 18-07-2008, 23:57

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Originally Posted by MCR ADIM

i think it should be done as to many people who can work and are fully able to work, no young children etc but they just cant be bothered so maybe if they had to work for it than they would just find a full time or part time job,

But where are the jobs going to come from?? Especially round here most major employers have gone!!!

BERNADETTE · 19-07-2008, 00:00

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Originally Posted by polly

Yes the real workshy will stay in their beds and keep to their daytime tv. However it would shou us all who the real unemployed and would be of great help to employers so we know who is at an interview 'cos the dole sent them' and those who are prepared to work and along the way society would benefit.

If we assume that all of us who pay tax and NI and all of those who are now retired and have paid the aforementioned are the real employers of the unemployed I doubt that many of us would choose to continue paying dosers to do nothing

So how are we solving the problem?? The ones who really have no intention of working still lounge in their beds!!!