Work 'til you drop....! - Page 2

chav1 · 19-11-2005, 22:39

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Originally Posted by West Ender

If this government wants to save money it should stop the wholesale immigration of opportunists who come here to live on our State Benefits and who have never contributed a penny towards them. Why should you work longer to keep them??

%100 agree with you on that and i got a few other things i could add to the list of things people will have to work longer to pay for as well

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heres an example of stupid spending of our national insurence

a person who by no fault of anyone else but themselves decides to drink themselves to near death and becomes an alcholic , our govenment in its wisdom allows these idiots to fall under the category of been ill infact in some cases it is called a disability

to treat these people our govenment not only allows them to stay on the sick but also provides them with EXTRA money to keep them in drink so on top of the NHS bills they run up with their couciling and treatments etc ,their incapacity benefit they get even more money to go buy booze with while muggings average joe goes to work while they sit in the pub getting drunk

what is so special about alcholics anyway i ask because when i had cancer i didnt get any EXTRA money for cigrettes infact i was advised to stop smoking so why are alcholics not told to stop drinking

i have no problem with an alcholic that buys their own beer but why should we be buying their beer i for oine would never buy a stranger beer ( unless the stranger had big boobs and found it hard to say the word no )

oh i also think we waste too much money treating drug addicts but at least they dont get extra money to buy drugs that i know of, maybe we should just ask the dealers to make the drugs more dangerous and wipe the lot out

kind of ironic that ime sat here with a few cans of beer but at least its MY money paying for it

garinda · 19-11-2005, 22:43

I'm all for equality between the sexes, but as Margaret Pilkington pointed out if the retirment age is raised still higher, a greater percentage of men will never get to draw their pension anyway.

The retirement age should be the same for men and women, bearing in mind that male life expectancy is shorter than that for females.

SPUGGIE J · 19-11-2005, 23:44

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Originally Posted by garinda

I'm all for equality between the sexes, but as Margaret Pilkington pointed out if the retirment age is raised still higher, a greater percentage of men will never get to draw their pension anyway.

The retirement age should be the same for men and women, bearing in mind that male life expectancy is shorter than that for females.

Looks like they are praying 1 in 5 of us kick out before they have to pay a pension. On another point did women up to a short time ago lose out on pension entitlement because they had not paid enough stamp because they stopped work to raise kids?

garinda · 19-11-2005, 23:47

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J

Looks like they are praying 1 in 5 of us kick out before they have to pay a pension. On another point did women up to a short time ago lose out on pension entitlement because they had not paid enough stamp because they stopped work to raise kids?

They still do. Many women who haven't paid enough N.I. stamps loose out on a full pension at retirment age.

Hardly encourages so called family life does it?

SPUGGIE J · 19-11-2005, 23:49

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Originally Posted by garinda

They still do. Many women who haven't paid enough N.I. stamps loose out on a full pension at retirment age.

Hardly encourages so called family life does it?

So thats why all these high flying carrer women dont have families they are scared of not getting a pension.

garinda · 19-11-2005, 23:53

Because of my health I managed to get my private pension to pay out this year at forty. It was a real struggle, but it just about keeps my window boxes in plants throughout the year.

PILKYBUSDRIVER · 20-11-2005, 00:59

I'll just ring up and claim to be asian.

chav1 · 20-11-2005, 01:50

just watching hard talk and they got onto pensions

apparently its all OUR fault theres no money for pensions because people dont save enough money through their working years

i find this a little bit rich coming from a government that has made more tax increases than any other party that has been in power despite prommising NO tax increases

maybe if we got taxed less we could actualy have some money to save for our later years and i dont just mean on our wages , it seems that no matter where you go in the world you can buy things cheaper than in the uk

lettie · 20-11-2005, 08:51

There's no way I'm working until I'm 67........ Some jobs just cannot be done safely after the age of 60. I'm lucky in that I have paid into an NHS pension scheme since I was 19, so by the time I retire it should be a decent pension..... Not as decent as police pensions, but passable non the less.

The problem that we have now is that the population of the UK has changed over the last few decades.

1)The birth rate dropped, (especially evident in the 80's) but there has been a drop since the introduction of contraception. This means that we have fewer young people, therefore fewer workers paying into the system.

2) People are living longer, the natural pre NHS killers TB, Childbirth, Infections etc. no longer pose much threat to life and are treatable for most people, therefore people who would have normally died younger are living longer and have to be supported in old age.

3) We have more people getting away with not working (immigrants included). It's high time that the scroungers were weeded out and made to work. Benefits should not be given to anyone for more than 6 months, unless they are genuinely sick and under the care of a specialist. You have no idea how many people I've come across on incapacity for depression and have never seen a psychiatrist!!!!!! There are plenty of jobs out there, why else would we have to import people from Eastern Europe to do them???? Is it that us Brits consider some jobs to be too menial???

andrewb · 20-11-2005, 09:40

I did a presentation on this in politics and I think they came to some sort of agreement whereby public sector workers (or maybe anyone whos currently in the pension scheme, not sure) can take advantage of the current rules although any new workers would have to take up the 67 years old pension when it was implemented..

something to that effect, its a load of rubbish if you ask me.

(My presentation was mainly on UNISON so I didn't go into that much detail, but thats what I gathered above

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Acrylic-bob · 20-11-2005, 09:56

I am surprised that this one passed without comment; apparently the Post Office have just asked the regulator to agree an increase in postage charges to cover the massive shortfall in the postal workers pension fund (£400M approx). Postmen will still be allowed to retire at 60, their Union has insisted, and you and I will have the priviledge of paying for it every time we post a letter.

jambutty · 20-11-2005, 10:08

At 68 this proposed new retirement age will not affect me, unless they make it retrospective but I sympathise with all those who will be affected.

I read in this and other forums posts people complaining, quite rightly, about the level of taxation that we are burdened with. However, what we should be campaigning against isn’t so much against the level of taxation but HOW THOSE TAXES ARE SPENT.

Billions upon billions are wasted on, among other things, multiple layers of unnecessary bureaucracy. We have an ID card system being foisted on us the cost of which would practically solve the NHS problems overnight if it was abandoned. Computer systems for the DSS, or whatever it is called nowadays, that didn’t work and more money has to be poured into the cyber hole. The list is endless.

If you, as the family bread winner, spent the bulk of your earnings in the pub, bookie etc. leaving your family with not enough to exist on, you would quite rightly be condemned for doing so. That is exactly what this and previous governments have done to us the UK family.

Complain about taxes and the retirement age if you must but complain even louder about how your taxes are being spent.

Mik Dickinson · 20-11-2005, 11:33

If i remember rightly or understood the Sky News report on this there will also be an increase in Pension Payouts of roughly 28% a week????

jambutty · 20-11-2005, 12:06

Over TEN YEARS!

Less · 20-11-2005, 12:08

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Originally Posted by jambutty

At 68 this proposed new retirement age will not affect me, unless they make it retrospective but I sympathise with all those who will be affected.

Complain about taxes and the retirement age if you must but complain even louder about how your taxes are being spent.

Erm' Jambutty was that just some sort of O.A.P. ploy to be able to say, "I'm 68 you know You wouldn't think it would you?". If you are now 68 then obviously even if it was introduced that retirement was taken to 67 IT WON'T AFFECT YOU!

I think if you read a few more of the threads on here you would find there are quite a few people that do complain and in a very loud and articulate manner, as proof of this I'm sure AB will have plenty more to say in this very thread.

P.S. Kill the frog in your Avator he looks too wrinkled even for someone your age!