Work 'til you drop....! - Page 3

SPUGGIE J · 20-11-2005, 12:32

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Originally Posted by Mik Dickinson

If i remember rightly or understood the Sky News report on this there will also be an increase in Pension Payouts of roughly 28% a week????

I will only believe that when I see it. How can they give 28% for working an extra 2 years and say there is no more money in the pot now.

MUMMIBOO · 20-11-2005, 14:12

Hum lets see now i think that for the person who maybe a librarien or other equivelent should work til they are 67 but the person who works their guts out like my daddiboo (he is an asphalter) should retire on a good pension at an early age.

What i am trying to say is it should depend on the job they do it gets me how there can be men who work 65 hours a week and slogg their guts out eg: labourers, brickies, asphalters, binmen and so on and yet they get paid pitence for the hardest jobs never complaining!

and on the other hand you get mr Smith who works as a manager in a 9-5 job who barely even gets his hands dirty and can't stand it if he has to lift his fingers gets paid £ks.

surely the man who works the hardest should be paid the most!

You may think i am wrong but i see daddiboo's hands covered in blisters on blisters and burns on burns day in and day out and i know that by the hour he earns less than me and he never complains about it.

Daddiboo and i know that if he had to work until the new age of pension he would never collect it.

That is why i think it is wrong i dont expect you all to agree with me though.

SPUGGIE J · 20-11-2005, 14:48

Unfortunately the workers that mummiboo is on about are the ones that are more likely to die before they can claim a pension.

Acrylic-bob · 20-11-2005, 15:00

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Originally Posted by MUMMIBOO

Daddiboo and i know that if he had to work until the new age of pension he would never collect it.

That is why i think it is wrong i dont expect you all to agree with me though.

On the contrary, Mummiboo. I wholeheartedly agree. In my opinion it is the pen-pushers who should be at the back of the queue when it comes to pay and pensions, along with those who think that they have some sort of divine right to decide how I should live my life. As well as the idiots in Parliament and County and Town Halls across the country, who, if it were not for folk like your dad, would have to sit and spout their nonsense in the open air.

My father fought for King and Empire in the jungles of Burma during WWII, which ruined his health. But he continued to work and pay Tax and NI despite that. He was not permitted to claim anything in disability benefits despite being afflicted with severe angina. It galled him to see wave after wave of immigrants come into the country and turn up at the DSS to claim benefits which were denied him and a pension he knew he would not live to enjoy. He lived just two months into his sixty fifth year.

SPUGGIE J · 20-11-2005, 15:14

At one time the Lord of the Manor dictated how people lived and died, Here we are in the 21c and we are heading back to those medievial days with a new bunch of suited "Barons" is that why all those soldiers died for their country? An imegrant gets a bonaza on arriving here, our pensioners get a right reaming where is the logic and caring for ones own in that.

Margaret Pilkington · 20-11-2005, 15:16

I don't think the retirement age relates to just men......I think that they are hoping to make women work until 67 too.......so that is an extra seven years.
The jobs where you can sit on your BTM...well, it may just be possible to continue until 67......I retired at 55 from nursing and I can tell you... it is a physical job and one that is stressful.....I would also ask you whether you would be happy with some 67 yr old arthritic nurse looking after you when you have just had a heart attack? Talk about dying in harness.

I would also like to say that over the years I have worked and contributed to my pension.....nobody is GIVING me anything......I EARNED the bloody thing...and I am still paying tax to keep the idle workshy in wide screen TV's and PSP2's.

SPUGGIE J · 20-11-2005, 15:21

Got to agree the retirement age should be based on your job.

As for the "cared for workshy" then when people retire due to the wear and tear of the job they are in the "workshy" should be forced to take some of these jobs.

Then they could feel what we go through and what its like to be paying taxes so their kind can slob about all day!!!!!

Acrylic-bob · 20-11-2005, 15:27

I could be persuaded to accept a raising of the retirement age, if that age applied equally to everyone - men and women, and if the pension was payable only on the achievement of a minimum number of years of contributions, say twenty five. I do not hold with handouts to those who have never done a tap in their lives or handouts to immigrants on the make.

jambutty · 21-11-2005, 08:28

The irony of my comment obviously escaped you Less.

It must be hell having to retire at 67 from living on the dole.

entwisi · 21-11-2005, 08:42

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Originally Posted by MUMMIBOO

Hum lets see now i think that for the person who maybe a librarien or other equivelent should work til they are 67 but the person who works their guts out like my daddiboo (he is an asphalter) should retire on a good pension at an early age.

What i am trying to say is it should depend on the job they do it gets me how there can be men who work 65 hours a week and slogg their guts out eg: labourers, brickies, asphalters, binmen and so on and yet they get paid pitence for the hardest jobs never complaining!

and on the other hand you get mr Smith who works as a manager in a 9-5 job who barely even gets his hands dirty and can't stand it if he has to lift his fingers gets paid £ks.

surely the man who works the hardest should be paid the most!

You may think i am wrong but i see daddiboo's hands covered in blisters on blisters and burns on burns day in and day out and i know that by the hour he earns less than me and he never complains about it.

Daddiboo and i know that if he had to work until the new age of pension he would never collect it.

That is why i think it is wrong i dont expect you all to agree with me though.

My job is tertiary, however it requires a lot of skill and training in order to do it.(I'm currently able to program in over 6 languages, can script in three more, I design, build, and test sytems over distributed computing for an industry that handles billions of pounds a day) Why should my retirement be compromised because I do a job that not everyone could do. It takes a certain mindset to be able to do it. I may not be physically tired when I get home but I can surely be mentally drained. I do have respect for those who work in physical jobs but please don't think that their work is somehow superior. It takes a whole lot of people to make this world go round and without the order and planning labourers would rarely do an efficient job. Likewise how would a builder know what to build without an architect sitting on his arse and drawing the plans.

Ian

Bad-Wolf · 21-11-2005, 09:19

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Originally Posted by MUMMIBOO

Hum lets see now i think that for the person who maybe a librarien or other equivelent should work til they are 67 but the person who works their guts out like my daddiboo (he is an asphalter) should retire on a good pension at an early age.

What i am trying to say is it should depend on the job they do it gets me how there can be men who work 65 hours a week and slogg their guts out eg: labourers, brickies, asphalters, binmen and so on and yet they get paid pitence for the hardest jobs never complaining!

and on the other hand you get mr Smith who works as a manager in a 9-5 job who barely even gets his hands dirty and can't stand it if he has to lift his fingers gets paid £ks.

surely the man who works the hardest should be paid the most!

You may think i am wrong but i see daddiboo's hands covered in blisters on blisters and burns on burns day in and day out and i know that by the hour he earns less than me and he never complains about it.

Daddiboo and i know that if he had to work until the new age of pension he would never collect it.

That is why i think it is wrong i dont expect you all to agree with me though.

I think this is a narrow minded and ignorant comment, that shows a considerable lack of knowledge and understanding as to what goes on in the real world!

I strongly suggest that you get a grip on reality!

chav1 · 21-11-2005, 11:11

i can see both points of this argument

pen pushing jobs as they are called can be very stressfull but at the same time statistics do show that people who do manual labour jobs do die younger and the statistics show that people who work shifts die even sooner

than again thats just statistics

SPUGGIE J · 21-11-2005, 11:24

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Originally Posted by chav1

i can see both points of this argument

pen pushing jobs as they are called can be very stressfull but at the same time statistics do show that people who do manual labour jobs do die younger and the statistics show that people who work shifts die even sooner

than again thats just statistics

Hope its just statistics because if not I had better start planning my funeral as I have been doing shifts for many a year.

chav1 · 21-11-2005, 11:27

theres a difference between doing shifts and WORKING shifts m8 so you should be ok

SPUGGIE J · 21-11-2005, 11:29

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Originally Posted by chav1

theres a difference between doing shifts and WORKING shifts m8 so you should be ok

Work a 3 shift pattern done constant night shifts 12 hour shifts 7 days a week. Have over done it in the past but if I aint going to see my pension then I will carry on.