Worse than The Depression - says Maundy founder. - Page 2

Retlaw · 15-06-2012, 21:11

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Originally Posted by Eric

Ok ... I know I could go to Google, but what is Maundy Grange

A Junkies paradise in Abbey St, Accrington, facing the end of Tasker St & Queen St, some do gooders have taken over most of the adjacent shops selling furiture & other rubbish, in the name of Maundy Grange, her little place is set back from the main road on the Eastern side of Abbey St.

Retlaw,

Margaret Pilkington · 15-06-2012, 21:21

Most Saturday mornings I see Dorothy MacGregor hoofing it up Infant street with bags loaded up(I am told that M&S give them their leftovers) Wouldn't you think on of the able bodied people who get the benefits of her labours, would come down with her and give her a hand with the bags...after all it is them that are going to be eating it

kestrelx · 15-06-2012, 21:25

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Originally Posted by Retlaw

A Junkies paradise in Abbey St, Accrington, facing the end of Tasker St & Queen St, some do gooders have taken over most of the adjacent shops selling furiture & other rubbish, in the name of Maundy Grange, her little place is set back from the main road on the Eastern side of Abbey St.

Retlaw,

As I don't live local - are these shops squatted or rented by her?

mobertol · 15-06-2012, 21:28

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Originally Posted by Eric

Ok ... I know I could go to Google, but what is Maundy Grange

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Originally Posted by Retlaw

She is old enough to have seen with her own eyes, the effects of the 30's depression, whilst she thinks she is helping the poor, she isn't, she's just helping the junkies to keep on being junkies, and no way is she running all those shops, seems like some do gooders have found their niche.

Retlaw.

I had heard a little about it Eric on my last trip over to Accy in April. Found it slightly disconcerting that something like this organisation is taking over a large space in the town. It smacks a little of some kind of sect to me...certain religious groups prey on the weak.
In Garinda's first post he mentions "St. Dorothy". I did Google it, as i have limited knowledge and was worried by what i read and the posed "Saintly" photos of this Dorothy person smacked of some kind of cult to me, very like the images of catholic Saints and Martyrs. Testimonials of "abuse" victims etc reinforced the idea that they are in some way trying to attract people with problems.
My friend's mother-in-law had recently changed her dining room furniture and offered the old stuff to this group only to be told it wasn't what people wanted these days -too old-fashioned -she was taken aback as, if someone is in need -a table is a table, surely.
I read that this person is 77 therefore she cannot have witnessed the difficulties of the Depression -would have been a babe I think. To compare today's problems with those of the 30's is blinkered to say the least - there is no country in the world that gives support to all as much as the UK does, no-one in Britain has to be truly in need as the State supports all its citizens.

garinda · 15-06-2012, 21:34

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

As I don't live local - are these shops squatted or rented by her?

Who knows.

As they expand, others move out, and they expand further.

They are a registered charity, so will benefit finacially from all the perks that entails, including very reduced rates...if any.

The Observer are running a campaign urging other businesses to be drop off points, so people can leave donated stuff there.

The expansion continues.

Oh, and our council give her their full backing.

Seeing it all as some tourist draw.

It is.

For smack-heads.

Claytoner40 · 15-06-2012, 21:47

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Wouldn't you think on of the able bodied people who get the benefits of her labours, would come down with her and give her a hand with the bags...after all it is them that are going to be eating it

Margaret you are so right. I really feel sorry for her that these users are taking her for such a mug

annesingleton · 15-06-2012, 22:03

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Originally Posted by Claytoner40

Margaret you are so right. I really feel sorry for her that these users are taking her for such a mug

I honestly don't think that there's any need to feel sorry for her.

cashman · 15-06-2012, 22:05

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Originally Posted by Claytoner40

Margaret you are so right. I really feel sorry for her that these users are taking her for such a mug

I agree wi Anne, Its the traders whose businesses are declining cos of this lot, that i feel sorry for.

garinda · 15-06-2012, 22:06

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Originally Posted by Claytoner40

Margaret you are so right. I really feel sorry for her that these users are taking her for such a mug

She allows herself to be used.

For whatever reasons, why she does what she does, she acts as a facilitator.

She allows the problem to fester, instead of lancing the infection.

Still struggling to find out how many registered drug users there were in Accrington, in the thirties.

Probably easier to look for statistics about how many anorexics there were in Ethiopia, in the 1980's.

garinda · 15-06-2012, 22:09

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Originally Posted by annesingleton

I honestly don't think that there's any need to feel sorry for her.

She'll be getting her reward up in Heaven, whilst down on Earth, Accrington's closed for business.

kestrelx · 15-06-2012, 22:10

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Originally Posted by garinda

Who knows.

As they expand, others move out, and they expand further.

They are a registered charity, so will benefit finacially from all the perks that entails, including very reduced rates...if any.

The Observer are running a campaign urging other businesses to be drop off points, so people can leave donated stuff there.

The expansion continues.

Oh, and our council give her their full backing.

Seeing it all as some tourist draw.

It is.

For smack-heads.

It's backed by the church isn't it so it's an official charity. There are several places like this all round the country now they give out food parcels that last about 3 days for people on benefits who have a letter from a GP or Social Worker proving they are on benefits etc. There is one lot who stand out side my local Sainsbury's asking people to donate food on their way out!

So what's wrong with helping people? Junky or no junky!

MargaretR · 15-06-2012, 22:13

http://www.maundyrelief.co.uk/

(I was about to say more but it would cause offense to some christians)

PS - do they have an equivalent of 22 virgins?

kestrelx · 15-06-2012, 22:15

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Originally Posted by cashman

I agree wi Anne, Its the traders whose businesses are declining cos of this lot, that i feel sorry for.

Why are traders losing business because of her? She's not selling anything cheaper just giving stuff away to those in poverty!

garinda · 15-06-2012, 22:19

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

It's backed by the church isn't it so it's an official charity. There are several places like this all round the country now they give out food parcels that last about 3 days for people on benefits who have a letter from a GP or Social Worker proving they are on benefits etc. There is one lot who stand out side my local Sainbury's asking people to donate food on their way out!

So what's wrong with helping people? Junky or no junky!

There's nothing wrong with helping the needy.

That's why we created the Welfare State, some years after the Great Depression had ended.

Giving money, to someone saying they need money to pay a bill, then going outside to score drugs, as I've seen with my own eyes, helps no one.

Not the user, and certainly not the town.

Any criticism of the ex-nun's 'good works' risks a holy contract being taken out on you.

Be warned.

Luckily I'm already doomed.

DaveinGermany · 15-06-2012, 22:20

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

(I was about to say more but it would cause offense to some christians)

Fill yer' boots, It is UK after all & as such it's okay, now if you're going to be talking about the religion of peace .... well, whole different ball game!