You will join in

[WillowTheWhisp]

When dawn comes the Muslims who are required to fast will observe abstainace from food, drink and sex until the sun sets.

It's the eating that closes at dawn and opens at dusk

Ooer, not sure I like the sound of this bit:

So one should stay away from Un-Islamic things such as:
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promoting Un-Islamic ideologies such as democracy and socialism.

[Loz]

I have been told that they can't put anything in their mouths during the fast including cigarettes but they do at work!
There are a couple that do mornings and if they break their fast they pay alms instead.

[WillowTheWhisp]

I suppose it depends on how devout they are about their religion. I know some people take their religion far more seriously than others and some just pay it lip service (excuse the pun)

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

But they weren't asking the non-Muslims to pray with them or convert to Islam, were they? Merely to refrain from eating until they were able to in order to give everyone a fair chance. I did suggest in a previous post that to serve two seperately marked lots of food would be an option but apparently the non-Muslims had been eating the Iftar packs which were there specifically for Muslims to break their fast with. So that idea had been tried and not worked it seems.

No they weren’t.

But according to the report:
“All members of Tower Hamlets Council in east London, where 36 per cent of the population follows Islam, were sent an email asking them to abide by the restrictions observed by strict Muslims during the holy month.

They have also been told that the town hall's business agenda will be reduced throughout Ramadan to accommodate Muslims, with only seven committee meetings scheduled and special prayer breaks included in the evening events.”

I take “abide by the restrictions” to mean no eating by anyone until after sunset.

I take “special prayer breaks included in the evening events” to mean that whilst the Muslim councillors break off for a prayer session the rest of the councillors sit around doing nothing.

But the Islamic community don’t have to do anything these days because the PC brigade will do it all for them for fear of what will happen if they don’t.

[Eric]

Is this for real? Ramadan, you gotta be kidding When is it? And who really gives a flying you-know-what? What kind of fast is it when you only fast for part of the day, and then pig out (oops, sorry about the Canadian slang) for the rest of the 24 hours?

[Tin Monkey]

Originally Posted by Eric

Is this for real? Ramadan, you gotta be kidding When is it? And who really gives a flying you-know-what? What kind of fast is it when you only fast for part of the day, and then pig out (oops, sorry about the Canadian slang) for the rest of the 24 hours?

Do you know how ignorant that reads Eric? You really surprise me. Seriously.

[emamum]

The Muslims i know dont expect others to fast when they do, they are doing it for a reason! they do ask that you dont eat around them (tbh thats common sense anyway)

[WillowTheWhisp]

Well in our church we only fast for part of one day once a month so that's even less!

[accyman]

i picked up a list of do's and do nots that was left behind by the night shift where i once worked which was a %100 muslim shift

it said that they were not to even take ventolin or it would break the fast

this was over 10 years ago but personaly i think the person who made the list was either having a joke or didnt like his asthmatic relative

[emamum]

the rules say no medicine/iv/injections of nutritional value

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey

Do you know how ignorant that reads Eric? You really surprise me. Seriously.

Ok. In a less ignorant and more politically correct form: The only other religious groups that I can see as agressively intrusive and subversive of long established democratic, and tolerant traditions are the right-wing born again christian, white-supremacist assholes who infect the American political system, and, indeed, infect the present administration. How's, that; the words are bigger, but the meaning is approximate.

I live in a country with as large an ethnic and religious diversity as yours; but we don't have this crap .... and I doubt very much whether we would put up with it. The only religious event that I am positively aware of is Christmas, and that is probably because it comes on the same day every year .... and I don't care too much about that, apart from the turkey. Other's believe differently, and that's fine by me. If I want to know about others' beliefs, I will take the effort to find out. I don't want them shoved in my face.

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

It was more of a rhetorical question in response to references about the majority having to fit in the the minority. My point being that in this instance the apparent majority (Muslim) had already been trying to fit in with the apparent minority (non-Muslim) and had been taken advantage of by having their food snaffled.

“I'm just wondering if the Muslims are a minority or a majority on that council.” Doesn’t sound very rhetorical to me even with the smileys.

In the letter to members, John Williams, the council's head of democratic services, said: “It is requested that members do not partake of any refreshments until after the Iftar refreshments are served.”

John Williams isn’t even a councillor and a search of the Tower Hamlets web site doesn’t reveal a department of Democratic Services. Now I wonder where he got the idea from to send such an email? From the council leader - Councillor Lutfur Rahman perhaps? Surely it is more normal for the councillors to debate a change to meetings procedures? But to do that would show the Muslim hand a bit, so do it in a roundabout way.

Muslims will fit in when they are in the minority and bide their time until they get in the majority, then the rest will have to fit in with them. That’s how you take over by stealth.

Of all the suicide bombings in the world the vastly greater majority have been perpetrated in the name of Islam. Now the threat of such action sends the powers that be into a tizzy so they bend over backwards so as not to offend them just in case.

If a Muslim community does not get what it wants then they might resort to suicide bombings, so we had better back down seems to be the thinking of the PC brigade. The 7/7 bombings in London have had a far greater effect than most people seem to realise. It has some people walking on egg shells.

This whole sorry episode has been carefully orchestrated to introduce Islamic ways into council meetings and been made to look like it was not the Muslim councillors doing it.

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by emamum23

I think the fast is closed in the morning and opened at night..... dont ask me why tho lol

Lets all educate ourselves...Ramadan, How Muslims fast in Ramadan fasting

Interesting web site.

“lying and cheating” – well that should ensure honest debate and honest council voting. Hmmm! I know reduce the number of meetings during Ramadan then they don’t have to stay honest too often.

“promoting Un-Islamic ideologies such as democracy and socialism.” – As it is Socialism that organised various benefits they will return them during Ramadan, won't they?

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by emamum23

The Muslims i know dont expect others to fast when they do, they are doing it for a reason! they do ask that you dont eat around them (tbh thats common sense anyway)

No its not. It is imposing their views on others.

If a Muslim came into my flat during Ramadan and I was eating or having a fag there is no way that I would pander to his whim. It is MY FLAT and if he wants to stay in it he has to abide by my ways. If I were smoking I would open a window if it wasn’t already open, but that has nothing to do with Ramadan, just me recognising that I won’t impose my vile habit on someone else.

This is my (our) country, we are in the greater majority and they are permanent visitors to it so it is up to them to integrate with us and not the other way around. This is not negotiable.

I spent nearly two years at HMS Jufair in Bahrain, a Muslim country, and experienced two periods of Ramadan. During that time we were warned that if we went into the nearest town to do some shopping, not to take any sweets, crisps etc with us, no chewing gum and no smoking in the street or even in taxis or even in our own car. Shops that normally offered tea, coffee or an ice cold drink to their customers as they shopped, stopped doing so. All cafes and restaurants closed during the day. HMS Jufair and the RAF club were exempt from these restrictions because the Sheik decreed that they were foreign soil.

We abided by their rules so I expect them to abide by ours.

[Tin Monkey]

I'm just waiting for the classic, "I'm not a racist but..." line. My eyes have really been opened by this thread.

I'll stick to the Stanley section from now on.