thanks for looking after me - Page 2

WillowTheWhisp · 04-01-2005, 10:05

No, I wasn't condoning cheating on their fiancee and I can understand the anger it would have provoked, just that I don't think violence solves anything. If it was me I'd probably have reacted angrily too. (Maybe a few squashy tomatoes and rotten eggs but then I'd have been done for malicious damage or something.)

rainman · 05-01-2005, 10:57

thanks for all your coments and to answer 1 of the comments no i have not been cheeting or messing with some one elses girlfriend .yes i was drunk it was new years eve .yes it is going to be reportied to the police ,there was witnesses but i did not get there names so i don't think anything will come of it but at leased the police will be aware of it .

rainman

Tealeaf · 05-01-2005, 16:54

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Is being inebriated a reason to be attacked by doormen?

No, it is not. I would suggest however, that Rainman, in a state of intoxication, may not have a full recollection of the incident and the events leading up to it. He could well have done something to which he is now entirely oblivious, such as groping, without consent, a young ladies bum or maybe leaving a sticky, multi-coloured deposit of cheap lager and carrot on the "Greeter's" shoes. Whatever, I would suggest that before he makes a formal complaint he does try to establish the pertinent facts.

rainman · 05-01-2005, 17:08

in reply to the comment willow the whisp made i do not go round groping without concent .what your saying is it is okay for someone to be beaten up if they are drunk,as they will not remember the day after .

WillowTheWhisp · 05-01-2005, 17:14

Hang on a mo that wasn't my comment. That was Tealeaf's.

I was saying that simply being drunk was no reason to be attacked.

It's important to have independent witnesses.

rainman · 05-01-2005, 17:17

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Hang on a mo that wasn't my comment. That was Tealeaf's.

I was saying that simply being drunk was no reason to be attacked.

It's important to have independent witnesses.

sorry willow my mistake

WillowTheWhisp · 05-01-2005, 17:21

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Tealeaf · 05-01-2005, 17:26

I am not saying that whatsoever. By your own admission, you were under the influence of alcohol, while in your opening post you say that you "had no idea why". (the incident occured). It would seem to me, therefore, that either this was a totally unprovoked attack,which, however wanting the standards of the local doormen, is still rather unusual or something happened to which you were part which was to lead to yourself incurring the injuries you did.

In your position, until you are more fully acquainted with the facts, then it would not be wise to make a complaint Should those facts subsequently come to light - in the form of people prepared to make a witness statement (and being of sufficient rigour to stand up in court) - then go ahead and do it.But unless you have sufficient, hard evidence, then don't bother

By the way, I've worked as a doorman myself and my opinion of the few dorrmen I've come across in Accy is that they're a bunch of *******.

rainman · 08-01-2005, 20:38

i have found out that 4 people were arested for fighting in bailys that night may be the doormen thought i had something to do with that which i did not

Busman747 · 09-01-2005, 00:15

I sympathise with you rainman, Many years back, I used to be a taxi driver and witnessed many attacks on helpless victims including ladies at the doors of various night clubs by thugs that call themselves doormen.

I could be wrong and maybe tealeaf could enlighten me as he is an ex doorman, but am I right in thinking that doormen have a certain amount of protection from the law as long as they are on the premises and cannot be arrested unless the offence takes place in the street?

Tealeaf · 10-01-2005, 13:24

Doormen have no more 'protection' under law than anyone else; they are entitled to evict someone from private premises but any violence used should be proportionate to the threat. It is no different in many ways, than the current law pertaining to the rights of householders when faced with a burglar, which as most of you are aware is the subject of some controversy.

This is a grey subject and at the end of the day if, as a householder or doorman, you thump someone or worse, and find yourself on the wrong end of an action by the CPS then the outcome will depend on the interpretation of the evidence by the magistrates or the jury.

vorlon24 · 10-01-2005, 13:51

If I was to find someone in my house, they would find themselves at the receiving end of a hard object.

It's not just my home I am protecting, it's my wife and kids too.

I would rather be up for a GBH/ABH charge, than have my family harmed