Badger, Badger, Badger - Page 2

DtheP47 · 10-05-2013, 17:27

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

ithen youve got the hooray henrys who just want to shoot everything including us poor peasants

Only if you come South of the Wall cmon !!!

cmonstanley · 10-05-2013, 17:35

Other Causes of Bovine TB Spread
You could be forgiven for thinking that Bovine TB wasn’t correctly named; if you were to read an article from the NFU or Defra you would probably think that the disease was actually ‘Badger’ TB, an infection originating from, spread and hosted by our native wildlife.

The truth is Bovine TB is a disease of cattle, the bacteria evolved to infect cattle and is chiefly spread between cattle. Badgers became involved in this whole debate as they, like many other warm-bodied mammals, are a vector (an animal which is able to ‘carry’ the disease) for bTB.

When a previously uininfected herd suddenly develops the infection, it is often incorrectly assumed that it must have been passed on via the wildlife reservoir; but is that really the case?

Yesterday this artcile was published, stating that bTB had spread to the border of Cumbria and Lancashire most likely due to “bought-in infection from high-risk countries”.

Earlier this week, this article, told the story of a vet being struck-off for not properly conducting TB tests on cattle.

The Farmers Weekly have reported on breaches in health and safety concerning Bovine TB samples.

There are countless stories about rogue farmers illegally swapping ear tags; Vets Online, Westmorland, Farmers Weekly, Bovinetb, etc.

And various others concerning other fraudulent activities concerning cattle; Farmers Weekly, Darlington, ThisisGloucestershire, Farmers Guardian…

These are just a few of countless articles available online and until these issues have been thoroughly delt with a cull on wildlife should not go ahead.

well well it has nothing to do with badgers they were infected.so really it should be a cull of irresponsible farmers.

Eric · 10-05-2013, 17:38

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Anyway, the EU says no so that's it.
If tested positive the cow has to be destroyed.

Not just the EU ... same rule applies over here. Also, seems as if bovine tb does not occur naturally in wild animal populations. Kinda feel sorry for the badgers, but .... . I suppose that one could trap badgers, test them, and, if they are clear, relocate them. But that's probably difficult and too expensive.

DaveinGermany · 10-05-2013, 18:25

As it stands the assumption of Badgers being the cause of BTB hasn't been conclusively proven, more cases tend to arise through bad animal husbandry than spread through an outside agent.

The Cull gained favour because it's easier, less labour intensive & cheaper than a programme of vaccination. The Badger protection act came into force in 1992 (consolidating various earlier acts)& since then they've thrived. Like everything that was once under threat of decimation, an act of protection is passed, they recover, over populate & are once more the subject of debate & questions over their status.

It's even easier if they can be scapegoated for something or other making them a more viable target.

Barrie Yates · 11-05-2013, 05:00

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

As it stands the assumption of Badgers being the cause of BTB hasn't been conclusively proven, more cases tend to arise through bad animal husbandry than spread through an outside agent.

The Cull gained favour because it's easier, less labour intensive & cheaper than a programme of vaccination. The Badger protection act came into force in 1992 (consolidating various earlier acts)& since then they've thrived. Like everything that was once under threat of decimation, an act of protection is passed, they recover, over populate & are once more the subject of debate & questions over their status.

It's even easier if they can be scapegoated for something or other making them a more viable target.

It would appear that it is cheaper to carry out a badger cull than vaccinate all cattle - I think it unlikely that the whole of the badger population could be eliminated and only one needs to be left to continue the spread of bTB. Rabies was almost completely eliminated by doctored bait in Western Europe - why not the same for badgers and vaccinate all cows?

jaysay · 11-05-2013, 07:55

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

in fact youve got some farmers who support vaccination then youve got the hooray henrys who just want to shoot everything including us poor peasants

Some bad shots they missed you

You'd at least think they'd get your mouth its big enough

jaysay · 11-05-2013, 07:57

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

Other Causes of Bovine TB Spread
You could be forgiven for thinking that Bovine TB wasn’t correctly named; if you were to read an article from the NFU or Defra you would probably think that the disease was actually ‘Badger’ TB, an infection originating from, spread and hosted by our native wildlife.

The truth is Bovine TB is a disease of cattle, the bacteria evolved to infect cattle and is chiefly spread between cattle. Badgers became involved in this whole debate as they, like many other warm-bodied mammals, are a vector (an animal which is able to ‘carry’ the disease) for bTB.

When a previously uininfected herd suddenly develops the infection, it is often incorrectly assumed that it must have been passed on via the wildlife reservoir; but is that really the case?

Yesterday this artcile was published, stating that bTB had spread to the border of Cumbria and Lancashire most likely due to “bought-in infection from high-risk countries”.

Earlier this week, this article, told the story of a vet being struck-off for not properly conducting TB tests on cattle.

The Farmers Weekly have reported on breaches in health and safety concerning Bovine TB samples.

There are countless stories about rogue farmers illegally swapping ear tags; Vets Online, Westmorland, Farmers Weekly, Bovinetb, etc.

And various others concerning other fraudulent activities concerning cattle; Farmers Weekly, Darlington, ThisisGloucestershire, Farmers Guardian…

These are just a few of countless articles available online and until these issues have been thoroughly delt with a cull on wildlife should not go ahead.

well well it has nothing to do with badgers they were infected.so really it should be a cull of irresponsible farmers.

Nice cut and paste job C'Mon

DaveinGermany · 11-05-2013, 10:52

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

Rabies was almost completely eliminated by doctored bait in Western Europe - why not the same for badgers and vaccinate all cows?

The rabies vaccination is ongoing, food that's been treated is placed in areas suspected of having large fox populations. The thing with the Badgers is, I believe they need to be given a live vaccine, so unlike rabies treatment they can't just scatter treated foodstuffs, they have to catch the animals to inoculate them.

As to the Cows, they can't really be vaccinated because that then infects them & makes them unfit for the food chain be it as meat or for dairy produce. So a catch 22 situation arises, who wants or needs a herd that costs but gives no return?

cmonstanley · 11-05-2013, 13:00

people are missing the point,the badgers got infected by cheap imported cows from abroad.it was poor farming that caused the so called outbreak,just like mad cow disease and foot and mouth.this is just a money making scam which will never work.

cmonstanley · 11-05-2013, 13:02

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Nice cut and paste job C'Mon

cut and paste who cares its telling the truth.this is a purely mental scenario.

Less · 11-05-2013, 13:42

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

people are missing the point,the badgers got infected by cheap imported cows from abroad.it was poor farming that caused the so called outbreak,just like mad cow disease and foot and mouth.this is just a money making scam which will never work.

Whaaaaat????