Hows this for law and order?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

Thanks awfully, but we'd rather you didn't.

We'd much rather you stick to unmasking BNP hotspots.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Rosebud

I have some symapthy with this - we are a long way off achieving it I agree but it certainly has started. I dont think teachers are toothless- I think they have an excetionally difficult job and face a tremendous amount of red tape but still make a huge difference.

the teachers i know think they are toothless rosebud, addmitedly i only know 3, but they teach at differant schools,yes they have an extremly difficult job and do make a differance be it small- their words not mine.as an aside my son is a teacher of degree level and has very little trouble,but then they are older at uni and in the main WANT to acheive, i think thats a crucial differance.

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

How do you imagine respect can be taught in schools to kids who do not have enough respect to accept the teaching?

BTW love that split infinitive back there the likes of which Winston Churchill said 'up with which he would not put'.

Don't be so cynical Willow- the majority of kids accept eductaion with open arms. Yes there are challenges within this for certian children but surely we have to keep trying. If we fail a thousand times lets try again.

The answer- and it must be long term does not lay in the hands of any one institution- there must be concerted efforts to work more closely in partnership from schools, police, children, Governmnet (local and national) and PARENTS.
I know this is not easy but a tremendous amount of good work has been done and continues to be done but it needs a concerted effort from everyone if we are going to achieve it.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by harwood red

have to agree with you on one point cashy and that is RESPECT is at the centre of it all...

where I will disagree is that it IS progressing in some schools... but of course I can only talk of my two son's school...I am amazed at the respect that is shown by the pupils at the school and also that also includes the teachers giving the kids respect too...
s school has the balance right between discipline and education.. my youngest son was disciplined recently for what was classed as a very minor thing in many people's eyes, yet he was punished quite severely.

Hooray I say...yes it was a bit overkill but he learnt from it

thats heartening red, nice to hear, i take your word gladly cos you are not anonymus.

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by cashman

the teachers i know think they are toothless rosebud, addmitedly i only know 3, but they teach at differant schools,yes they have an extremly difficult job and do make a differance be it small- their words not mine.as an aside my son is a teacher of degree level and has very little trouble,but then they are older at uni and in the main WANT to acheive, i think thats a crucial differance.

Clearly there is too high a level of disenchantment amongst Teachers- I too have friends who taech and am aware of their huge frustrations about their work. What never ceases to impress me though is that despite all of this they never resign themselves to just ticking over- they keep on because of their belief in children and young people.
We need to support and do whatever is in our individual and collective power to address what is wrong with the system- standing back from it and slagging it off isn't going to work- we need to get involved.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Rosebud

Clearly there is too high a level of disenchantment amongst Teachers- I too have friends who taech and am aware of their huge frustrations about their work. What never ceases to impress me though is that despite all of this they never resign themselves to just ticking over- they keep on because of their belief in children and young people.
We need to support and do whatever is in our individual and collective power to address what is wrong with the system- standing back from it and slagging it off isn't going to work- we need to get involved.

i think the people that should be getting involved in the main are PARENTS, theres some damn good uns on here n they do, but too many dont give a monkeys slong as the kids are out of the way,it all comes back to that word RESPECT, if kids start school without a semblance of it, the teachers job is a damn sight harder,how do you change the mindset of THOSE parents? my kids are grown n long gone,my late missus n i got involved big time with there schooling, it wasn't for brownie points it was OUR DUTY.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Yes indeed the majority of kids do want to be educated but they aren't the ones we need to worry about or the ones who cause problems. It's the ones who flatly refuse to take any notice of teachers and even threaten teachers with violence who are the problem, and teachers can do nothing. As has been said before, their hands are tied.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Yes indeed the majority of kids do want to be educated but they aren't the ones we need to worry about or the ones who cause problems. It's the ones who flatly refuse to take any notice of teachers and even threaten teachers with violence who are the problem, and teachers can do nothing. As has been said before, their hands are tied.

Hit the nail right on the head, Willow. The minority of yobs who make life difficult for the decent kids who want to learn seem to be untouchable, thanks to the efforts of Rosebud and his do-gooder chums...but, then again, we mustn't be judgemental, must we?