Hows this for law and order?

Royboy39 · 04-07-2007, 15:23

I know this is not Hyndburn but it must serve as a warning to good do'ers

Teen Responsible For 38 Per Cent Of Towns Crime (from Lancashire Telegraph)

MargaretR · 04-07-2007, 16:09

One nut case doesn't mean we should expect an epidmic.

Royboy39 · 04-07-2007, 16:27

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Originally Posted by [email protected]

One nut case doesn't mean we should expect an epidmic.

The point is that if this problem is not dealt with properly and with the full force of the law it will become endemic.
The epidemic is already with us.

WillowTheWhisp · 04-07-2007, 16:33

I know what you mean Royboy. He is the kind of difficult pupil I was referring to when I said teachers have problem pupils and if they end up being sent back to the same schools they were excluded from it solves nothing. I bet his ex-teachers did their utmost within the bounds that their hands are tied. They are probably relieved that he is too old to be their responsibility now. Thankfully he is the exception rather than the rule but what the heck can be done when faced with kids like him?

Neil · 04-07-2007, 16:36

What a pathetic punishment for everything he did. They should have banged him up for a couple of years. He wont stop I don't suppose so he will be locked up soon enough. Why didn't the courts same themselves the trouble ( and his next victims ) and just do it the first time.

blazey · 04-07-2007, 16:51

The problem is that asbo's for teenagers like this can be seen as an honour within their groups. Its something they gloat about, they aren't ashamed of it.

Also one researcher said a huge mistake is with calling troublesome groups 'gangs' as it gives them a much bigger status, which gives them more reason to live up to the label.

Asbo's dont solve anything in my opinion. Teachers who have to deal with pupils like this in the most extreme circumstances have the ability to inform the police of the threatening behaviour and it is often with lads like this, an assault, to treat teachers in such a way. I always wonder why teachers don't just enforce their rights more often in this manner, if the police dont take it seriously i'm sure teachers can inform education boards and their trade unions on how to deal with such a matter and if needs be their solicitors?

Anyway he obviously wasn't dealt with soon enough so he was allowed to get away with doing the damage, which should've been stopped sooner. Why should he feel threatened by an asbo when he's obviously been breaking the law for ages? Breaking his asbo isnt exactly that much different other than being punished even more.

panther · 04-07-2007, 17:23

what they need is a good hiding!

i wouldnt have dared do anything like that in my teens!

Rosebud · 07-07-2007, 22:42

Surely the first step should be to work with the young man to find out WHY he is behaving in this way and WHY he feels his eahviour is acceptabl. We might then be able to address these issues effectively rather than simply criminalising him and dumping him, and I might add, any future offspring on the scrapheap.

WillowTheWhisp · 07-07-2007, 22:44

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Originally Posted by panther

what they need is a good hiding!

But that isn't allowed these days.

Mancie · 07-07-2007, 22:47

Cor.. sounds like a proper villian.. breaking park benches, banned from Tesco..Ron and Reggie Kray watch out!!

lancsdave · 07-07-2007, 22:49

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Originally Posted by Rosebud

Surely the first step should be to work with the young man to find out WHY he is behaving in this way and WHY he feels his eahviour is acceptabl. We might then be able to address these issues effectively rather than simply criminalising him and dumping him, and I might add, any future offspring on the scrapheap.

Would the asbo have been his first offence ? I guess they would have already gone through the soft touch process.

Rosebud · 07-07-2007, 23:13

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

Would the asbo have been his first offence ? I guess they would have already gone through the soft touch process.

Nothing to do with 'soft touch' its about wanting to actually deal with the cause of the behaviour as there are always causes- to do otherwise is to fail and that failure impacts on everyone.