Vanishing plane

[Accyexplorer]

Originally Posted by Less

.we just want to discuss the facts

Originally Posted by Less

Yes of course.

Is that one of them "facts" less?
Do you have a link?
Do you know something the rest of us don't?


.....didn't think so

[Less]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Is that one of them "facts" less?

Do you have a link?

Do you know something the rest of us don't?

It may be one of those facts, but it couldn't possibly be one of them facts.
As for the link, I might just put forward the theory that you could be the missing one.
And your last sentence

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

.....didn't think so

Punctuation all wrong should be:-

Didn't think, so...

Other than those minor errors it's your best post of the day.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Is that one of them "facts" less?
Do you have a link?
Do you know something the rest of us don't?


.....didn't think so

You should never answer your own questions.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

You should never answer your own questions.

Of course he should, he's the only one that has the answers.

[Accyexplorer]

Interesting conjecture for anyone who's interested:

aangirfan: MALAYSIAN AIRLINES MH370 - INSIDE JOB

[DtheP47]

Pal of mine sent me this:
And he should know better I hasten to add.
The story, no doubt soon to be a movie, goes like this:

The Americans are withdrawing from the Afghanistan, one of their command and control systems (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.

What the Taleban want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russians or the Chinese. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine . The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.

Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia , thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the Americans had engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.

The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the Americans will not hijack or harm the civilian aircraft. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.

There are 5 American and Israeli agents on board who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.

When MH370 is about to leave the Malaysian air space and report to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with a remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeings could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.

The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to the Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.

The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.

The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed in the Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead persons will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into the South Indian Ocean , make it look like the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame would fall on the defiant captain and co-pilot.

The Americans put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean . Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. Australia is the co-actor.

The amount of effort put up by China , in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defence scientists.

Don't you just love a conspiracy theory!

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Interesting conjecture for anyone who's interested:

aangirfan: MALAYSIAN AIRLINES MH370 - INSIDE JOB

As an experiment to help prove that that isn't a load of rubbish and that the picture details hasn't been changed by someone which is easy to do, why don't you see how far you can shove your phone up your backside?

It has to be a camera phone that can send pictures

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by Neil

As an experiment to help prove that that isn't a load of rubbish and that the picture details hasn't been changed by someone which is easy to do, why don't you see how far you can shove your phone up your backside?

It has to be a camera phone that can send pictures

Steady on Neil,
"disclaimer first"
In the darker corners of the www I am sure there is plenty of evidence as just how far foreign objects can be pushed into various body orfices.
Let's just not go there >shudder<

[Accyexplorer]

MH370 search: Reunion debris 'very likely' part of plane - BBC News

So, debris has been floating around for over a year and nobody seen anything? Hmmm
Anyone for cloak and daggers

[Margaret Pilkington]

It was washed ashore, but that does not necessarily mean that it has been floating since the plane crashed....there is evidence that it has been submerged for some time.......and the area which had to be searched was vast and currents mean that when the searchers were in one area, the debris could have been miles away out of their sight.........but if you want to perceive that there was some sort of conspiracy then nothing in the world is going to stop you...but remember just because you believe something it does not make it a fact.

[Accyexplorer]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

It was washed ashore, but that does not necessarily mean that it has been floating since the plane crashed....there is evidence that it has been submerged for some time.......and the area which had to be searched was vast and currents mean that when the searchers were in one area, the debris could have been miles away out of their sight.........but if you want to perceive that there was some sort of conspiracy then nothing in the world is going to stop you...but remember just because you believe something it does not make it a fact.

The important part of this sad incident is closure for the families/friends of those who were on board.
For that reason,I'll keep my delusional 'theories' to myself.
Even if the wreck was found intact with the remains of the black box and passengers still inside,to some,it would still be dismissed as a hoax, carried out by 'them'

[Margaret Pilkington]

Yes, I can fully understand that relatives need closure.
And in real terms it doesn't really matter how the incident occurred (except families of those lost would not agree) those people who were on that flight are lost.

Knowing how they were lost will not bring them back.....it would only give those left behind, someone on whom to lay the blame....insert a 'grudge' in their life that serves no useful purpose.

After we lose someone we tease out the minutiae of the life that existed before they were lost.
We look to make sense of things that sometimes have no sense in them....and when we have done all this are we really any closer?

We have to set down the emotional baggage and move on.
If we do not do that, then we are hampered by it and it is a burden which prevents us from getting our lives back to a different kind of normal.

[Neil]

Things like this remind us just how vast our oceans are and how even with all our technology we know so little about them. I was surprised how much of the oceans we can't monitor by radar or satellite

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by Neil

Things like this remind us just how vast our oceans are and how even with all our technology we know so little about them. I was surprised how much of the oceans we can't monitor by radar or satellite

The majority of land based radars have a range of around 240 miles, OTH (Over the Horizon) radars have, as the name implies, a far greater range but are installed where any perceived threat will come from. Satellite surveillance is normally on a polar orbit although geo-stationary are used to cover areas of perceived threat or specific interest. The Indian Ocean covers some 27M sq miles according to Wikipedia so spotting a piece of debris some 4m or 5m sq is like the proverbial needle in the haystack

[Studio25]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

...Satellite surveillance is normally on a polar orbit although geo-stationary are used to cover areas of perceived threat or specific interest...

Only if the area of interest can be seen from a satellite directly over the equator. A geostationary satellite is one that stays in the same place in the sky if you view it from a fixed position on the Earth. This can only happen for equatorial orbits.

Polar orbits are really used for mapping (which is surveillance of a sort, I suppose). This is because it takes so long for the satellite to return to one spot after its last pass over that spot.

A geosynchronous orbit can be used to view areas of interest, but it only returns to the same place once per day (minus a few seconds). Not much good if you want to survey the area at a different time to when it passes over.

Surveillance satellites are in normal elliptic orbits. They have to be higher than 100 miles in order to maintain an orbit. The higher they are, the more ground they can "see", but as you'd expect, it's at a lower resolution. Also, they have to travel at about 5 miles per second to maintain such a low orbit, so they can only see a particular site for a short time.

Surveillance satellites carry fuel so they can be retasked to a new orbit if events require it. When that fuel runs out, they are only good for photographing what's in their prevailing orbit until their orbit decays enough for them to shoot off into space or fall towards Earth. When a satellite is retasked, the fuel it needs is dependent on its altitude. A low-Earth orbit needs more fuel to change than a medium-Earth orbit.