Intern Working For Graham Jones MP

[garinda]

Thought I might as well post this still unanswered question here, as anywhere else.

Just in case this thread prompts a visit to Accy Web. Finding time out of his globetrotting schedule.

Mr. Jones, could you please explain the reason why you publicly stated you had no problem with an E.U. referendum, mentioning it would settle the issue 'democratically', two short weeks before voting that your constituents be denied that democratic right?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ing-59650.html

Thank you.

[garinda]

Wait a cotton pickin' minute.

Do da work for nuthin'?



Only dem fancy rich folk, with their rich pappies, can afford dem sort of highfalutin, crazy ass jobs.

Iza goin back in the fields, Massa.

I iz, yes Siree.

Try dat Chicken George.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

So it would be no good andrewB applying then

Well no it wouldn't.....as less said they want a suitable person.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by garinda

Thought I might as well post this still unanswered question here, as anywhere else.

Just in case this thread prompts a visit to Accy Web. Finding time out of his globetrotting schedule.

Mr. Jones, could you please explain the reason why you publicly stated you had no problem with an E.U. referendum, mentioning it would settle the issue 'democratically', two short weeks before voting that your constituents be denied that democratic right?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ing-59650.html The link being the one Number 12 post.

Thank you.

Well as G.J. said on that link, he won't publish unless respectful n intelligent, so by that yardstick yer entitled to n answer? unless of course it was n hypocritical comment he made?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

Apparently there's been a bit of bother about this internship.

If you can try and make sense of the wafffle on here.

Graham Jones MP: Parliamentary Interns. Right wing bloggers ask me to break the law?

As clear as mud

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

Well as G.J. said on that link, he won't publish unless respectful n intelligent, so by that yardstick yer entitled to n answer? unless of course it was n hypocritical comment he made?

Nobody could call Graham a hypocrite!!!!!!!!, could they

[g jones]

Interns are controversial in the press at the moment. It is fair to say they are hard work to manage. Some MPs get around that by allegedly using them as extra staff and treating them so instead of trying to see it as a learning opportunity. IPSA limits on staff budgets and a more demanding public in terms of correspondence and the internet have increased the usage of interns.

The reality is an internship with me (and ppl know it's a great office where they won't have to work-work but learn) and we will get a lot of applicants. Many of which are in the same boat. Uni students with no real world working experience whom private sector won't employ in competitive jobs market.

Guido and his entourage target Labour MPs with a one sided argument to draw in readers. At the end of the conversation i made Guido make it clear his own interns are used by him as workers and he pays them a just £60pw though the last one he paid £100pw. He was stood on thin ice himself when he picked a disagreement (again I knew about his office and he was unaware I knew)

My point is I now employ my intern and I explicitly said when he was an intern he was not there to work. He had no work experience so i would never have employed him from his CV.

My second point was I don't always have interns they are hard work and take up time supervising. There's a lot of paperwork and monitoring. Access to information for example. We have a clear policy any intern has to agree to that states clearly this is an educational placement to help them. It does not help the people of Hyndburn so why should they pay ?

My third point is after the first intern we decided against another for a long while. Then we had an American here for 16 weeks. He did no constituency or parliamentary work. He did some research work and learnt about UK parliament and democracy. We could not pay him legally and he didn't work for Hyndburn either. So Guidos comments are out of place. He is asking me to break the law by breaching his visa. Guido ranted about accomodation but he was staying in his US Unis halls of residence over here.

Fourthly we are well aware this is not fair on people in Hyndburn (or outside London). I have taken three people from here for a week each. This is time consuming and we have to be careful we concentrate on the constituency and there are issues about confidentiality, hence a lot of supervision. There is a balance to be struck. That's why on the floor of the commons I asked the Leader of the Commons when these (interns And paid) positions would be available in Accrington job centre.

We are totally right in how we have handled the matter of interns. I cannot believe anyone who is right minded would think otherwise. That's why Guido ended up losing the argument embarrasingly because he waded in without finding out the facts.

[garinda]

In all honesty I'd be impressed if an internship was on someone's C.V.

I know people who do work experience, for no pay, or expenses, and who are used as unpaid dogsbodies.

I don't think there internships are like that, and people will gain invaluable experience, when they go on to do other things.

I also think it's good locals are being given a chance to work as interns, down in Westminster.

[Less]

Originally Posted by garinda

In all honesty I'd be impressed if an internship was on someone's C.V.

I know people who do work experience, for no pay, or expenses, and who are used as unpaid dogsbodies.

I don't think there internships are like that, and people will gain invaluable experience, when they go on to do other things.

I also think it's good locals are being given a chance to work as interns, down in Westminster.

I think no matter the circumstance,
If you need an intern, you shouldn't claim they don't need paying, everyone needs a wage, we all have a right to a living.
Claiming it's educational because they are University students with no experience, is saying either the system is wrong, too many graduates, or the system is wrong, they know nowt.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by g jones

.......Guido ranted about accomodation but he was staying in his US Unis halls of residence over here......

Guido rants a lot with his own slant on things.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Less

I think no matter the circumstance,
If you need an intern, you shouldn't claim they don't need paying, everyone needs a wage, we all have a right to a living.
Claiming it's educational because they are University students with no experience, is saying either the system is wrong, too many graduates, or the system is wrong, they know nowt.

I know what you're saying, and can see both sides.

When I was a student I spent the holidays working in places I'd secured non-paid work, in the hope of standing out from the crowd, once I was in the full time jobs market.

Working for a German magazine, purely for expenses, did actually help me secure my first job.

[jaysay]

I don't know how much things have changed, but when Ken was MP he had allowances to pay for office staff, he had a researcher in Westminster, and one in his constituency office together with a typist (remember this was before the days of computers and word processors) I'm sure it hasn't changed that much but maybe paying for a town centre office is sapping up expenses, Kens constituency office was in his own home and he also saw many of his constituents there too, but mind you Ken was a totally different person to the present day incumbent, Ken represented the people and their needs not what the party told him to do

[Neil]

It looks like it is a position as a volunteer to assist the intern build up his or her CV. I see nothing wrong with that, many people give up their own time for nothing for the benefit of others.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Neil

It looks like it is a position as a volunteer to assist the intern build up his or her CV. I see nothing wrong with that, many people give up their own time for nothing for the benefit of others.

Remember that old saying anybody who works for nout will steal

[Neil]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Remember that old saying anybody who works for nout will steal

Only if you let dodgy people volunteer for you.

Many people volunteer as a why of gaining experience.