warning for the filesharers ..

[Neil]

Originally Posted by accyman

i dont know how they havnt solved this problem its been going on since the system was started and called cable and wireless then ntl and then virgin .

The cost of sorting out I think. If they fix the system so the hacked boxes don't work they know people will have to pay for TV then and most would go with Sky

[accyman]

Originally Posted by Neil

The cost of sorting out I think. If they fix the system so the hacked boxes don't work they know people will have to pay for TV then and most would go with Sky

true , they still dont have an interactive menu that works propperly after all these years they just simply keep trying to tweak a system that clearly dosnt work properly.Im not up to date with virgin as i moved away from their service area but it seems all they did was take ntl's menu and make it black and yellow instead of blue and white and everyone with virgin i know says the interactive stuff freezes constantly

[Neil]

iplayer on the v boxes work really well. Don't use the other interactive services. I still have a Sky box because Rhonda prefers Sky News interactive. I can also use it for the free channels now analogue is dead.

It is wrong to be punished for a crime without a trial.

I told this story before on here - I used to run a direct connect peer to peer hub when I was with Pipex. My upload ran flat out for 2 years running it but Pipex did not care. One day my broadband was off so I contacted them - it was the first time in over a year it had ever disconnected (I could tell by hub uptime). They told me I had been disconnect for downloading a movie. I asked for details. A company working for one of the movie companies had told them so they disconnected me. I told Pipex they had it all wrong and that I had not downloaded that movie on the date they said - I had actually downloaded in a year earlier

I told them the other person had uploaded it from me and that I was not happy they had disconnected me because of false information. I had to fax a signed letter saying I would be a good boy in the future. I am still a good boy now

This was at least 4 years a go.

[accyman]

torrents have gotten really popular over the past 6 or 7 years but they are one hell of a quick way to get caught because movie companies etc have access to the same sites so can easily get your ip and contact your supplier

regardless of whatever law is been broken though guilt without proof or trial is not democratic and i hate to say this but shouldnt any conviction as such fall apart if taken to the european court ? Im ot a big fan of teh european court but when our govenment has become so corrupt it may be a good thing its actually there

[Neil]

ISPA is angry over government plans to disconnect net users

Peers are being urged to make substantive changes to government plans to tackle illegal file-sharing by ISPs.
At a heated debate in London, members of the Internet Service Providers' Association (Ispa) heard from the government and music body the BPI.
The head of Ispa said members were not convinced that their proposals, which include disconnecting persistent offenders, would tackle the problem.
He called for licensing changes to make it easier to offer legal alternatives.
"It is all very well beating consumers over the head with a stick but they need to be offered a carrot as well," said Ispa's secretary general Nicholas Lansman.
'Letter campaign'
The plans for tackling illegal file-sharing, included in the government's Digital Economy Bill, will be a two-stage process.
Initially, the government will aim to educate consumers, and those identified as downloading illegal content will be sent letters.
DIGITAL ECONOMY BILL
Legal framework for tackling copyright infringement via education and technical measures
Ofcom given powers to appoint and fund independently funded news consortia
New duties for Ofcom to assess the UK's communications infrastructure every two years
Modernising spectrum to increase investment in mobile broadband
Framework for the move to digital radio switchover by 2015
Updating Channel 4 functions to encompass public service content, on TV and online
Age ratings compulsory for all boxed video games aimed at those over 12 years

If this proves insufficient, technical measures which will include the powers to disconnect persistent pirates, will be introduced in the spring of 2011.
Ispa has always made the point that net providers are "mere conduits" of content and that it is not their role to police the networks.
In its objection to the bill last month it said that forcing the "disconnection of users ...is contrary to many of the aims of Digital Britain".
It also said that rights holders "should shoulder the burden for all costs, including the reimbursement of ISP's costs".
"ISPs are being asked to police content but this isn't about serious crime but to protect one particular set of rights holders," said Mr Lansman.
Currently the government thinks rights holders and ISPs should share the cost.
Ispa has also called for significant reform of the way net providers obtain licences from right holders.
"The fact that rights holders can lean on the legislation means there isn't the incentive for them to do anything else in terms of alternatives," said Malcolm Hutty, from net association Linx.
The process of educating consumers about illegal file-sharing has already begun.
In July last year, six of the UK's biggest net providers agreed a plan to tackle online piracy.
It involved sending out letters to those identified as illegal file-sharers.
BT, Virgin, Orange, Tiscali, BSkyB and Carphone Warehouse all signed up.
According to Mr Lansman "tens of thousands" of letters were sent during the trial but he has not heard whether the campaign was successful.
"What happened? Did the government see a huge drop in file-sharing? The Digital Economy Bill says we should do the same thing again so I presume that there is some analysis of the trial," he said.
A spokesperson for the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills said the letters had been sent out because of an industry "memorandum of understanding" (MoU).
"The decision not to release a report was down to the industry signatories. The MoU, and the separate wide ranging consultation with stakeholders who have an interest in filesharing, were both used to inform the development of the Digital Economy Bill."

BBC News - Internet service providers urge changes to digital bill

[accyman]

LMFAO at the part hwere they are putting new age ratings on games , anyone who has worked at game or game station will tell you that after refusing to sell an 8 year old a 18 rated game their mother or father will run up to the counter screaming at them for not doing so then buy it themselves for their 8 year old and this problem isnt related to just a few parents its teh majority of them

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by accyman

LMFAO at the part hwere they are putting new age ratings on games , anyone who has worked at game or game station will tell you that after refusing to sell an 8 year old a 18 rated game their mother or father will run up to the counter screaming at them for not doing so then buy it themselves for their 8 year old and this problem isnt related to just a few parents its teh majority of them

Indeed. Why are there no age restrictions on books? As a 12 year old I could have quite easily got ahold of a book that probably wasn't at all appropriate, as we know books can be far more 'graphic' than video games. I think it's just an issue of an older generation of MPs not really understanding the games industry. You only need to look at the mass hysteria brought up by the recent Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 to see that.

As far the Digital Economy Bill, I have numerous problems with it.

• Disconnecting for an 'alleged' offence without evidence or trial is wrong.
• It would punish a household, not just the individual. For example a student house of 10 individuals could be disconnected from the internet due to the alleged activities of one individual.
• Wireless routers, secured and easily accessible or unsecured and many easily crackable, allow for somebody to use your line to commit the act. Who will be punished? The household who own the broadband connection, not the person who committed it.
• This problem extends to open wi-fi hotspots such as McDonalds, pubs, etc. The broadband subscriber and not the user would be the one punished.

[accyman]

im not %100 sure if ths is still the case but an under 18 or possibly 21 now cant buy a knife but can go to a D.I.Y store and buy an axe, a rope and a large bucket.

as for games they need to get realistic, call of duty are war games and were suitably rated but the new one suddenly got rated an 18 which is ridiculous, however an 18 rating for grand theft auto games is definatly justifiable as in one of teh series of games one of teh missions was to get a prostitute , sleep with it then kill her and take your money back yet i bet most of teh parents demanding tehir 12 year old be sold this game were not aware of this

how do you enforce ratings on computer games when parents simply buy 18 rated games for their kids for a quiet life

[Neil]

Originally Posted by accyman

im not %100 sure if ths is still the case but an under 18 or possibly 21 now cant buy a knife

It is 18 and totally stupid. You can get married at 16 but you can't go out and buy a kitchen knife.

You can work but can't buy the tools you need.

Crazy brainless Politicians. Make the punishment fit the crime don't ban every thing.