Bet Bagpuss is legless this afternoon

[Bagpuss]

Originally Posted by churchman phil

So I take it you disagree with Ferguson's quote of "We were the better team" then? Shows he's on a different planet....

Must be a blood brother of Peter Britcliffe then as both talk utter drivel.

[Bagpuss]

Originally Posted by yerself

I hadn't heard or read that quote.

He told Sky: “It is a hard one to take because I thought, we were the better team and the score does not reflect that.”

Hold on - who was it that was supposed to be cracking up?

The better team lost 4-1? Even Jose Mourinho wouldn’t try to claim the best team lost when he’s on the wrong end of that kind of scoreline.

Mr Ferguson kiss my arse.

[cashman]

that comment of fergies is one of the reasons most neutrals despise Man Utd.

[jaysay]

Remember that old Corporal Jones saying, "they don't like it up um Captain Mainwaring" seems its applicable in this case, Fergie's latest rant is he's complaining about the the kick off time and blaming Sky for the defeat, and it looked like the fans decided to get a head start back down to Surrey and Essex, with ten minutes to go the only people left in the Theatre of Merchandising were a bunch of singing Scousers

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by yerself

I'm here. An uncharacteristically poor display by United in general and Vidic in particular, though he should never have been sent off. For once the penalty awarded to Gerrard was the correct decision, must be the first time in a long while he hasn't dived. A minor blip, who's going lift the Premiership trophy though, Bagpuss?

Vidic was the last defender and he committed a professional foul, and that means a red card.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by jambutty

Vidic was the last defender and he committed a professional foul, and that means a red card.

You forget JB they play Fergie rules at the Theatre of Merchandising, so therefore it should not have been a Red Card, the only exception is if it happens at the other end

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by jaysay

You forget JB they play Fergie rules at the Theatre of Merchandising, so therefore it should not have been a Red Card, the only exception is if it happens at the other end

What people who complain that the away team doesn’t get a fair deal at Old Trafford forget is that what the spectator sees either live or on TV is that they do not see the incident from the perspective of the referee at the time of the incident. They may get to see TV replays but by then the ref has had to make a decision. Even then we do not get to see exactly what the ref saw because we are not looking through his eyes. We and the TV pundits just assume what the ref saw.

People are jealous of Fergie’s success much as they were jealous of Liverpool’s success in days gone by.

The top dog is always a target for the knockers and there are always plenty of them but it’s all driven by jealousy.

On the day Man U were below par and paid the price. But it does give a bit of false hope to the chasing pack.

[shakermaker]

Originally Posted by jambutty

What people who complain that the away team doesn’t get a fair deal at Old Trafford forget is that what the spectator sees either live or on TV is that they do not see the incident from the perspective of the referee at the time of the incident. They may get to see TV replays but by then the ref has had to make a decision. Even then we do not get to see exactly what the ref saw because we are not looking through his eyes. We and the TV pundits just assume what the ref saw.

We all accept the fact that referees are fallable human beings and that a margin of error must be accounted for. However, the trends regarding decisions against Manchester United at Old Trafford are staggering, and to deny any correlation to United's status as a massive team with massive influence on the Premier League is silly.

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by shakermaker

We all accept the fact that referees are fallable human beings and that a margin of error must be accounted for. However, the trends regarding decisions against Manchester United at Old Trafford are staggering, and to deny any correlation to United's status as a massive team with massive influence on the Premier League is silly.

So what you are saying is that the referees are crooked. That would be classed as libel.

Could it be that teams coming to Man U are so unsure of being able to get a result, they resort to cheating and trying to con the referee and the ref sees through their subterfuge?

[Bagpuss]

Originally Posted by jambutty

they resort to cheating and trying to con the referee

Ronaldo, nuff said.

[yerself]

Gerrard, nuff said.

[shakermaker]

Originally Posted by jambutty

So what you are saying is that the referees are crooked.

Not at all. In my opinion the officials who have helped to create such staggering trends buck under the pressure of big games. You don't get bigger games in English domestic football than those at Old Trafford.
I think the fans get to referees, as do big characters on the field (Roy Keane being a major perpetrator of the past) and off (Ferguson & Co.'s touchline antics).
To send off Vidic and give a penalty against United took a level-head and a massive pair. Fair play to whoever the ref was.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by shakermaker

Not at all. In my opinion the officials who have helped to create such staggering trends buck under the pressure of big games. You don't get bigger games in English domestic football than those at Old Trafford.
I think the fans get to referees, as do big characters on the field (Roy Keane being a major perpetrator of the past) and off (Ferguson & Co.'s touchline antics).
To send off Vidic and give a penalty against United took a level-head and a massive pair. Fair play to whoever the ref was.

The Ref was Alan Wiley shaker, he had a number of crucial decisions to make on Saturday and got them all spot on, if only every Ref did that, but unfortunately some are intimidated by the atmosphere and bottle it, Howard Webb was a prime example only a fortnight ago

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by Bagpuss

Ronaldo, nuff said.

Ronaldo is just the tip of the football league iceberg.

All teams have their cheats. Some are good at it and some like Pederson for Rovers last Saturday needs lessons from Gerrard as that video shows quite clearly.

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by yerself

Gerrard, nuff said.

You can’t argue with that.

Tried to give you some Karma but I’ve given one lot today and the system won’t allow me to give some more until tomorrow some time.