Punk heralded the death of pop

[Boeing Guy]

All that said, punk did help change the established music record industry ethic, just as ska and new wave, helped by the likes of Talking Heads and The Cars did.
I just don't like punk, that's all

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Being a big fan of Joe Jackson, I got into him in the early 80's, I would say he is anything but punk.
Night and Day, the album which 'Steppin Out' was off was a nod and tribute to Cole Porter.
he is just finishing a tribute album to Duke Ellington, his work comprises Classical, Jazz, Pop and Rock sometimes combining them all.
I have seen him a few times live and he is one of the best live acts I have ever seen.

To say that Punk paved the way for him, well if having a record producer hear your tape, then signing you is down to the influence of punk so be it. but where does that leave The Beatles.
His label at the time was A&M a rather large label.

To be fair, I always thought the start of DIY etc started with the Teac A3440 4 track reel to reel and the Tascam home studio that used cassettes.

Maybe we should class Marillion as punk, they don't have a record label, instead rely on their fans to buy albums up front, so they can record them.

It's the musical climate of the time and his first hit 79 "Is she really going out with him!" is most definately on the bandwagon of Elvis Costello style market! This is how record companies work - they advise artists and produce artists to make their sound fit the moment. That record is definately of that sound of New Wave - no not punk mate but there is a line drawn by punk of the type of music that was in the chart before punk and then after wards and there is a massive difference! Records that made it in 78 - 79 like Elvis Costello and Joe Jackson would not have been as successful before punk.

This is not just my opinion but many well known music business pundits.

You had Punk - New Wave - Power Pop - Joe Jackson wasn't punk, his single "Is she really going out with him!" was New Wave and I bet the producer made sure it was like that so they'd get a hit!

Quote from Wikipedia entry on him - " He was popular for his pop/rock and new wave music early on before moving to more eclectic, though less commercially successful, pop/jazz/classical hybrids."

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Quote from Wikipedia entry on him - " He was popular for his pop/rock and new wave music early on before moving to more eclectic, though less commercially successful, pop/jazz/classical hybrids."

Did you go on Wikipedia and write that yourself?

I listened to Joe Jackson all the way from Accy to Strasbourg on a coach (school exchange trip) Easter 1979, that and Outlandos D'amour, almost wore the tapes out -both on A&M if i remember rightly.

It's fair enough on the part of a record company -who want to make money on their investment, to suggest the direction of an artist's first output - their own style will prevail if they are destined for success. Joe Jackson and The Police have stayed the test of time as artists even though their first songs were less "them", as you suggest in the case of JJ. The Police had a "Punk" first record -Landlord, which was not a hit -listen to it and you'll see why! They were also told by A&M to bleach their hair blond to look more Punk -they just looked a bit daft as they were much older than the kids playing punk -even though Sting pulled it off better than the other two because of his natural beauty.

Just to throw the cat among the pigeons -was thinking about Squeeze -another group I loved back in the good old days of the 70's. Where would you place them with relaton to Punk? Might be an idea to ask Jools


Have just listened to this one again with much pleasure

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by mobertol

Did you go on Wikipedia and write that yourself?

I listened to Joe Jackson all the way from Accy to Strasbourg on a coach (school exchange trip) Easter 1979, that and Outlandos D'amour, almost wore the tapes out -both on A&M if i remember rightly.

It's fair enough on the part of a record company -who want to make money on their investment, to suggest the direction of an artist's first output - their own style will prevail if they are destined for success. Joe Jackson and The Police have stayed the test of time as artists even though their first songs were less "them", as you suggest in the case of JJ. The Police had a "Punk" first record -Landlord, which was not a hit -listen to it and you'll see why! They were also told by A&M to bleach their hair blond to look more Punk -they just looked a bit daft as they were much older than the kids playing punk -even though Sting pulled it off better than the other two because of his natural beauty.

Just to throw the cat among the pigeons -was thinking about Squeeze -another group I loved back in the good old days of the 70's. Where would you place them with relaton to Punk? Might be an idea to ask Jools


Have just listened to this one again with much pleasure

No I didn't write it myself it was on the Wikipedia page. As for the Police - yeh they jumped on the Punk Bandwagon and it worked they went onto being a massive band with the dyed hair! They also cashed in on the Reggae link!



Squeeze, Joe Jackson were New Wave or Power Pop - definately taking advantage of that market.

Debbie Harry were also part of the New York Punk Scene from about 1975 - but very soon from around 78 she was doing pop with a New Wave edge quickly converting to Disco mixed with their new wave/punk edge!

[DaveinGermany]

Aaaaahhh, Debbie Harry, my generation of Schoolboys fantasy, she was a proper darlin' in them days. Not looking to bad now either, eeeehh.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Aaaaahhh, Debbie Harry, my generation of Schoolboys fantasy, she was a proper darlin' in them days. Not looking to bad now either, eeeehh.

Time takes it's toll dave.. don't want to wreck your dream but this is the latest pic of Debbie

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Aaaaahhh, Debbie Harry, my generation of Schoolboys fantasy, she was a proper darlin' in them days. Not looking to bad now either, eeeehh.

She was top of the class back in 78 - I saw her at Blackburn King George's Hall. It was almost like a private date!

[Mancie]

Reckon songs such as this did come from punk/new wave.. and it just went on

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Mancie

Time takes it's toll dave.. don't want to wreck your dream but this is the latest pic of Debbie

The depths of despair & misery open before me, a bottomless pit into which my dreams be cast ! Cruel, pernicious, fate hath my chimera destroyed !


Ah well, best dig out my collection of Gentleman's browsing material then !

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by mobertol

Did you go on Wikipedia and write that yourself?

I listened to Joe Jackson all the way from Accy to Strasbourg on a coach (school exchange trip) Easter 1979, that and Outlandos D'amour, almost wore the tapes out -both on A&M if i remember rightly.

It's fair enough on the part of a record company -who want to make money on their investment, to suggest the direction of an artist's first output - their own style will prevail if they are destined for success. Joe Jackson and The Police have stayed the test of time as artists even though their first songs were less "them", as you suggest in the case of JJ. The Police had a "Punk" first record -Landlord, which was not a hit -

Go to 52:27 on this film about Sex Pistols and you'll see a young Sting and Stuart Copeland putting up a poster.... Notice how Stings still wearing flares ha ha ha!

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

She was top of the class back in 78 - I saw her at Blackburn King George's Hall. It was almost like a private date!

In your dreams...!

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Go to 52:27 on this film about Sex Pistols and you'll see a young Sting and Stuart Copeland putting up a poster.... Notice how Stings still wearing flares ha ha ha!

Don't have time to watch it all now -no doubt Sting looked great in flares

[mobertol]

Great 80's pop -who could forget Patsy Kensit?!

[cashman]

I forgot her..........Instantly.

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by cashman

I forgot her..........Instantly.

Will admit I had too -she was a better actress than singer. Saw this video in SKY's 80's selection yesterday evening.

Think she was a classic one hit wonder!