R & B and dance music - Page 2

jaysay · 29-06-2011, 08:53

There was an Item this morning on BBC Breakfast about Dwayne Eddy Eddie, who is in this country and recording a new album, the first for 25 years, I must admit he was popular in the sixties and listening to the guy who has brought him over here to Sheffield made a statement that I can certainly agree with, hes probable one of the only guitarist who can be identified after just a few chords

Margaret Pilkington · 29-06-2011, 11:18

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Of course you don't have modern day music. Who in their right mind does? All modern music is crap. Everyone with the most tenous grasp on reality knows that!

I think it is easy to fall into the trap of generalisation about modern music.
While I am not a great lover of some modern music I do have some up to date CD's.......Adele 21(I like Adele 19 too)is one of them....and while I don't rave about all her stuff, I would not say it was crap. I won't slavishly buy CD's because it is a particular artist. These days I am far more likely just to buy the tracks that I like......make my own playlist of stuff that does float my boat.

I think you have to have an open mind about modern stuff...but not so far open that your brain falls out

Wynonie Harris · 29-06-2011, 14:34

The only present-day music worth listening to is that made by bands and singers who are performing in older musical traditions and recording music together in "real time" sometimes even with old 50's/60's valve equipment to give it that "warm" sound. The bands I've already mentioned and others whose names mean nothing to the average punter. All modern music in the true sense of the word is worthless garbage.

I can proudly say that I'm totally narrow-minded, musically speaking. I've narrowed it down to good music and consigned all the ephemeral junk to the dustbin of history, including the insult to good music that Gobbiner inflicted on us!

If that puts me in a minority of one, so be it. It won't be the first time!

jaysay · 29-06-2011, 17:12

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

The only present-day music worth listening to is that made by bands and singers who are performing in older musical traditions and recording music together in "real time" sometimes even with old 50's/60's valve equipment to give it that "warm" sound. The bands I've already mentioned and others whose names mean nothing to the average punter. All modern music in the true sense of the word is worthless garbage.

I can proudly say that I'm totally narrow-minded, musically speaking. I've narrowed it down to good music and consigned all the ephemeral junk to the dustbin of history, including the insult to good music that Gobbiner inflicted on us!

If that puts me in a minority of one, so be it. It won't be the first time!

Are you actually sure that was worth the title music Wyn

Wynonie Harris · 29-06-2011, 19:37

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Are you actually sure that was worth the title music Wyn

I was being polite, Jay. Like Cashy, if I used the words I really want to describe it, Neil and Mick would be down on me like a ton of bricks.

However, Gobbiner, don't let that put you off posting more electronic bleeps in future. It's a free country!

jaysay · 30-06-2011, 09:27

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

I was being polite, Jay. Like Cashy, if I used the words I really want to describe it, Neil and Mick would be down on me like a ton of bricks.

However, Gobbiner, don't let that put you off posting more electronic bleeps in future. It's a free country!

Made one of my rare visits to big city yesterday Wyn and its surprising just how things have changed really, considering I've only been in Accy Centre (for a look round) I was quite surprised, there's a music shop where E. J. Riley's shop was on Little Blackburn Road selling old vinyl records never went in but there looked to be some quite good stuff knocking about, I was a little disappointed though there were no drunks in front of the Market Hall and I couldn't get a T shirt "Rovers Till I die" which I wanted because the guy from giftprint had had the day off

Wynonie Harris · 30-06-2011, 22:22

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Made one of my rare visits to big city yesterday Wyn and its surprising just how things have changed really, considering I've only been in Accy Centre (for a look round) I was quite surprised, there's a music shop where E. J. Riley's shop was on Little Blackburn Road selling old vinyl records never went in but there looked to be some quite good stuff knocking about, I was a little disappointed though there were no drunks in front of the Market Hall and I couldn't get a T shirt "Rovers Till I die" which I wanted because the guy from giftprint had had the day off

Not got round to looking in the record shop, Jay. As for the bloke from Giftprint, he'd gone on the lash with the market hall lot.

jaysay · 01-07-2011, 09:01

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Not got round to looking in the record shop, Jay. As for the bloke from Giftprint, he'd gone on the lash with the market hall lot.

Must be a regular event then Wyn, there was a notice in the window say closed all day wednesday

Gobbiner17 · 02-07-2011, 09:39

I heard that the owner of Custard Cube record shop cleans his records with Pledge furniture polish. Don't know how much truth there is in that but be careful if you go buying records there. Most I've seen in there are in poor condition but I haven't been in for a long time.

Back to beeps, blues and rhythms...

Lee Perry is 75 years old, still performing live and recording as well as appearing live or sampled on lots of modern records. I don't know his whole history as I am not a music nerd but his name pops up time and time again and in general he produces some terrific reggae and dub. I'm not too sure about the dubstep (link below), some of it is good but some doesn't float my boat at all. The point is though that if Scratch uses electronic beeps, whistles and whatever in his recordings (for over 20 years now), then that surely is a good recommendation, or at least an indication that electronic music might have some gems amongst it.

I posted 3 reggae tunes on the Accyweb jukebox - Jacob Miller prod. King Tubby, Jolly Bros prod. Lee Perry, and Bim Sherman prod. Sherman/Tubby - each with the dub version at the end. In the 60s and 70s, unbeknown to most UK music lovers except perhaps some living in Brixton or West Indian communities, producers like Lee Scratch Perry, King Tubby, Bunny Lee and Niney Holness were producing hundreds of 7" singles with vocal on one side, dub on the other. The rest of us were listening to Steel Pulse, Specials, Selecter, Bob Marley and a few others as that was all we knew about (if any of you know different, I'd love to hear it!) These started coming to my attention in the 80s through Trojan I think (via Radio Lancs On The Wire program). There is lots of absolutely cracking stuff completely overlooked by the mainstream - the mainstream just plays the derivatives usually with a pop feel or some other genre mixed in to dilute it for radio and tv listeners ears. (BBC TV is totally disgusting in their treatment of the whole reggae genre, Reggae Britannia was so far off the mark it is untrue).

Anyway, in those dub versions you can hear the first signs of the recording engineer and mixing desk man stamping their influences on a record, with echo, reverb etc. This has developed into electronic beeps, samples and all kinds of sounds you never heard before being used. King Tubby's was a master and I don't think it gets better than his mixes, and OK they weren't electronic beeps as such. But he has influenced so many of today's mixologists such as Adrian Sherwood that they are producing stuff almost equally as good. Sherwood, like Perry, tastefully uses electronics and samples but there are still the traditional instruments laying the foundation on most records, although some are purely electronic and good in their own right. In general I prefer the ones with traditionally instrumented rhythms on them (you will be pleased to know Wyn

An example with a bit of electronics.

You may also be interested to know that about 30 or 40 7" singles per week are being released that are in the reggae, reggae dub, dubstep and ska genre, so I guess there is a big scene going on in London. I haven't bought any of these records, most seem to be re-releases of 60s and 70s stuff, as I don't have deep pockets and there are only so many hours in a day to listen.

Gobbiner17 · 02-07-2011, 10:34

And what do you make of this?
Lee Perry’s “Blackboard Jungle”: From Dub to Dubstep The FADER

Wynonie Harris · 02-07-2011, 21:58

Gobbiner, once again you are attempting to lead us into a veritable sonic wilderness. Dub reggae is the most boring form of music known to man. Reggae record companies were too poor/tight to put proper B sides on their records, so they just used the A side's backing track minus the vocal. Various individuals starting messing around with these, adding echo, reverb etc, but they can't disguise what they are - an empty-sounding backing track waiting for a vocal that never comes.

As for dubstep, a vile, unlistenable noise.

I had hoped that with time we might have been able to save you from the pits of the musical hell that you are descending into, but I fear that we are too late...far too late!

walkinman221 · 02-07-2011, 22:37

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Gobbiner, once again you are attempting to lead us into a veritable sonic wilderness. Dub reggae is the most boring form of music known to man. Reggae record companies were too poor/tight to put proper B sides on their records, so they just used the A side's backing track minus the vocal. Various individuals starting messing around with these, adding echo, reverb etc, but they can't disguise what they are - an empty-sounding backing track waiting for a vocal that never comes.

As for dubstep, a vile, unlistenable noise.

I had hoped that with time we might have been able to save you from the pits of the musical hell that you are descending into, but I fear that we are too late...far too late!

I 100% agree every time it seems we get somewhere he slips back into the depths of the dark and bottomless pit that is **** music which these days seems to be getting deeper and darker.Having said that some modern artists are talented and good to listen too but they are few and far between,you just have to look at the GAGA what the hell is that all about? Am i just getting old ? But i just dont get it, compare her and her like to otis redding , tina turner, solomon burke, sam and dave, wilson picket frank sinartra, tony bennet, marvin gaye, james carr and of course elvis!!!! I know i rest my case no comparison.
Ok rant over

i feel better now