Accrington's all time greatest manager - Page 2

Alvin the chipmunk · 16-02-2011, 18:56

Hinksman is an interesting call Jeff....His importance in the resurrection of Stanley is often unfairly overshadowed.

Why is Leighton James not mentioned here!!!

SamF · 16-02-2011, 18:57

King Coley.

maccawozzagod · 16-02-2011, 21:26

I nearly included Hinksman on the poll BUT as good as his acheivements were I think that he did have an unfair advantage over anybody else in that at the time everybody wanted to play for ASFC and trials were oversubscribed. Add in crowds that were way above the average for that level and, IMHO, his acheivements become somewhat diluted. Not to take anything away from him though as he was a great servant to the club and possibly would outrank any other on a points per game ratio.

Alvin the chipmunk · 16-02-2011, 22:11

Guess nobody will be vouching for Eric's manaerial stint?

maccawozzagod · 16-02-2011, 23:24

ossy kid · 22-02-2011, 04:42

Walter Galbraith for me, he built a great team in the mid 50s but can,t argue with the great things Coley has achieved but please lets not put Jimmie Hinksman on the same page.

choirboy · 22-02-2011, 08:47

I am old enough to have watched the great Scottish Stanley team in the 1950's when gates were often as high as 7,000........ 14,000 + against PNE in the cup !
This is a very hard call to make....
Galbraith took us to our highest ever placing and almost into the old second tier too! He was very astute at picking up the Scottish players and made them into a great team but he was reasonably well resourced at the time.
Coley has built his teams with virtually nothing in terms of resources and taken us from nowhere back into the league where we belong, and Jimmy Bell is part of that success story too.
Coleman is ranked third behind Fergie and Venger in the longest serving manager stakes and this must add weight to the argument for Coley's nomination. Especially when you consider the finances and infrastructure behind United and Arsenal.
I think that Galbraith, Coley and Jimmy Hinksman are all legends but if we have to nominate one manger then I would go for John Coleman

DaveinGermany · 22-02-2011, 10:13

Not being an old timer like most of you on here, I only know about JC, that being the case & my natural affinity by association (Scousers

) I'd have to say John Coleman.

AccyAggro · 22-02-2011, 17:28

Achieving everything off nothing! John Coleman... easy!

shakermaker · 22-02-2011, 17:45

I voted for Coley too, however the 'achieving everything off nothing' praise is only true of some of the more recent League years, really. O'Neill's mismanagement has given Coley a massive squad size this season. While Whalley's bankrolling (scamming of local businesses) gave John relatively good resources at non-league level.
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Alvin the chipmunk · 22-02-2011, 18:01

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I voted for Coley too, however the 'achieving everything off nothing' praise is only true of some of the more recent League years, really. O'Neill's mismanagement has given Coley a massive squad size this season. While Whalley's bankrolling (scamming of local businesses) gave John relatively good resources at non-league level.
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I think that's a tad harsh. Yes in the Unibond it's true Stanley were one of the more well supported and resourced teams. However we entered the Conference in 2003 where we once again became a small fish (we won the Conference with the 14th highest wage bill) so that's 8 years (and counting) of over achieving!!

I'd also argue the point that even though we were one of the better resourced teams in the regional divisions, we had also been so prior to Coley's arrival, yet still got relegated.

Must say though I thoroughly agree with the Whalley point. As you pointed out in a previous post it has tainted the phoenix story somewhat

shakermaker · 22-02-2011, 18:16

Yep, fair point ATC. I didn't intend to take anything away from Coley, only to address a syntax error, being the nitpicker that I am. As I said, I voted him our greatest ever manager. To me he's the dogs bollocks, especially when it comes to playing proper football in the lower leagues.

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maccawozzagod · 23-02-2011, 01:14

well regardless of peoples opinion, the poll on a separate thread has shown Coley to be the undisputable (according to Accy Web) best manager ever with a whacking 71% of the vote

maccawozzagod · 25-02-2011, 16:06

Coleys record whilst manager at Stanley

FROM................TO.. GAMES..WON..DRAWN..LOST
01 May, 1999 Present 537.... 216.... 131..... 190

points earned @ 3pts per win, 1 pt per draw is 779 and average of 1.45 points per game

Galbraith
FROM................TO.. GAMES..WON..DRAWN..LOST
june 1953 .....aug 58 ...246 ....124 .....50........72

points earned @ 3 pts per win, 1 pt per draw is 422 and an average of 1.71 points per game.

Opinion says Coleman, fact says Galbraith - but Coley has 'played' more than twice as many games

cashman · 25-02-2011, 16:21

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod

Coleys record whilst manager at Stanley

FROM................TO.. GAMES..WON..DRAWN..LOST
01 May, 1999 Present 537.... 216.... 131..... 190

points earned @ 3pts per win, 1 pt per draw is 779 and average of 1.45 points per game

Galbraith
FROM................TO.. GAMES..WON..DRAWN..LOST
june 1953 .....aug 58 ...246 ....124 .....50........72

points earned @ 3 pts per win, 1 pt per draw is 422 and an average of 1.71 points per game.

Opinion says Coleman, fact says Galbraith - but Coley has 'played' more than twice as many games

Thing is yeh can do out wi figures, would be interested to know how many voters actually knew both managers, bet that would show a different result.