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[carpon]

Originally Posted by football19

These young lads may turn out to be league players,but they won't keep us in the league this season.

Nail...Head...Hit !!!!

We signed too many inexperienced lads under Cook, Leam can only work with what he's been left with and the resources available to him.

Leam has tried to change that by bringing in the likes of Beattie, Hunt & Wilson, though he's probably got the smallest wage budget in the League to work with.

To put it into another perspective....If you put OUR wage budget into comparison with the Conference ? BSP whatever they're calling it now....OUR budget would be down among the bottom teams in that league.

Leam has my full support.

For me the board of this club now have to take a gamble.

The fiver for the Wimbledon game may get a few more thro the turnstiles next Saturday, but for me, we've got to try and raise the gates for the rest of the home games...

Drop admission to a tenner, give kids free tickets. Be adventurous and offer multi deals....playing in front of these gates is not only hurting the club in the pocket but it must be really demoralising to run out to play at the Crown with a little other a thousand in attendance !!

Secondly, they've got to back Leam with some money to get players in ( and fast ) who can get us away from this mire. The next two games are probably the biggest games we've had since returning to the league.

Win them both and we get breathing space in the fight to stay in the league.....lose them...and for me....we're down.

Either way...if we don't address the slide that is 7 defeats from 9 and we don't start putting points on the board....we can look forward (if you can put it that way ) to playing conference football next year.

Somebody said earlier that 50 points may be enough....I disagree. I think we'll need 53 to be safe for sure....the way results are going at the moment. Like another poster has said...if things don't change ...and fast....I struggle to see where we'll get another 10-15 points never mind 20 or 23!!!!!

[nige b]

Good post fella for the first time since we came up I am seriously scared about going back down there and we need to move pretty quickly because we can't score and we can't defend whilst others around us can do both............as you say next 2 games are vital with no room for manoeuvre to me 4 points max or..............

[football19]

Some good posts,but I have to disagree with Val about them being a footballing team.In 90 mins,how many times did there keeper throw the ball out?,they played two up front,went long,but the key was they won the second balls in midfield,which allowed them to get on the ball and play a little.
To be fair they closed us down when we had possession,and at one point,it was like a training session of attack and defence.
Although I cant recall our keeper making a save(they only had three shots on target),he was at fault for there second goal,as he came for a cross and didn't get there(aka joe hart!!).
Think leam,is trying to rebuild the team,starting from the back,but I don't know if we have the time or money for this to happen.
In truth,we are young, and in the main,inexperienced squad,and the next month or so will define if we are good enough to stay in the league

[VALAIRIAN]

Not saying they are a footballing team F19, just that they are not all about long ball Crossed wires
But we do both agree that we were poor and did not cause them any trouble. Yes it was made easy when they got a goal from nothing, from there, it was always going to be hard.

A.F.C. up next, this is where we have to stand up and be counted.

[maccawozzagod]

Peter Murphy is our least experienced defender with around 87 Football League appearances, and has been with the club through 'relegation fights' before. Belford, Hunt, Wilson and Winnard all have over 100 Football League games each. I'm not having it that they are inexperienced. Its time they and the others further forward started to put in a shift and get us out of this trouble.

Much of this current squad need to realise that if they are employed by Accrington Stanley its because few other clubs want them ... we are their meal tickets and if they don't keep us in the Football League this season then they'll need to start looking for postman jobs.

Sort it now or sod off whilst we can still replace you.

[yonmon]

In his post-match summary Paul Stephenson stressed on a couple of occasions the possibility that a 'fragile mentality' exists within the Squad....If this is the case, can I suggest that a reversal of this situation and the instilling of more self-belief in his players might well be a task beyond our Manager's experience, and will require more specialist intervention ?.
Is it not also true that a lack of self-belief in one's abilities quickly diminishes the motivation and will to achieve one's goals ?.
Are we therefore doomed to watch the gradual demise of The Reds due to something deeper than a mere lack of 'basic' footballing skills ?...or is there a 'someone' who can and will recognize where the true problems lie and breathe new life into our ailing team ?..
Like all true Stanley Fans.... I sincerely hope so !.

[football19]

Macca I understand what you are saying and yesterday the defence wasn't the problem,indeed they looked ok,there goals were mistakes,the first was a near post corner that Wilson,under no pressure, headed it back to the taker , instead of heading clear and the second was a lucky flick on from beatties man The inexperience was in central areas,were normally games are won/lost,
Joyce and miller are doing the same job and Molly has been an attacking fullback all his life,he's not a winger,along with Hatfield,who's not a winger,more of an attacking central mid.
Saying that,the squad we have,we may have to adopt this policy,and don't mind losing as long as the players give there all,yesterday some,in my opinion,went missing.
Ps sorry to the bloke who had to listen to my observations all game,I just get carried away !!!

[maccawozzagod]

Originally Posted by football19

Macca I understand what you are saying and yesterday the defence wasn't the problem,indeed they looked ok,there goals were mistakes...

same every week though F19, not many teams are beating us by scoring great goals.

[Revived Red]

Originally Posted by football19

Although I cant recall our keeper making a save(they only had three shots on target),he was at fault for there second goal,as he came for a cross and didn't get there(aka joe hart!!).

Well I can recall him making two superb saves. The first was a superb tip over the bar in the first half; the second was a courageous dive at the near post in the second half.

Originally Posted by football19

Think leam,is trying to rebuild the team,starting from the back

Why? I thought we had a reasonable team, starting from the back. The only problem area was right back.

[Revived Red]

Originally Posted by football19

Macca I understand what you are saying and yesterday the defence wasn't the problem,indeed they looked ok,there goals were mistakes,the first was a near post corner that Wilson,under no pressure, headed it back to the taker , instead of heading clear and the second was a lucky flick on from beatties man The inexperience was in central areas,were normally games are won/lost,
Joyce and miller are doing the same job and Molly has been an attacking fullback all his life,he's not a winger,along with Hatfield,who's not a winger,more of an attacking central mid.
Saying that,the squad we have,we may have to adopt this policy,and don't mind losing as long as the players give there all,yesterday some,in my opinion,went missing.
Ps sorry to the bloke who had to listen to my observations all game,I just get carried away !!!

This latest post makes me wonder even more why Leam wants to "rebuild from the back". The management team should decide how they want ASFC to play, and then try to find players to suit that system if we do not already have them. It seems to me that we have only one winger and he never gets a game - Chippendale. In the meantime we put players on the wing who are simply not wingers - you have named Moly and Hatfield; but the same applies to Charlie Barnett and Rommy.

I agree with Macca - I just don't buy into this "inexperience" excuse.

[football19]

RR I would imagine, in my opinion, a sensible way forward is to get the foundations (defence), solid and clean sheets will follow.We just are not scoring enough goals to think otherwise.
Regarding the keepers top saves,one he helped over the bar instead of risking catching it !,and the other was a block,which is what he gets paid for.
Seeing as we were the away team,I wouldn't call that over worked !!!.
It makes a mockery of people dismissing mcconvilles efforts the other season,I bet we haven't had 13 shots from midfield,let alone 13 goals!!,opps,should have posted that on another thread lol

[maccawozzagod]

the difference was that McCon-vile was playing in a good attacking team that was built to play to its strengths. A non-lazy arsed, non-nephew sort of a player could have scored 20-30 from that position

[accybeme]

a lot of good posts made
but enough of his unlucky this and unlucky that, the position we now find us in, is one we have all secretly anticipated from midway through the season we have the lowest attendances in the league,
hence as has been made clear time & time again our manager which at the present time is Leam is doing his best with limited resources, I can’t see whoever was our manager they would be doing more to achieve greater success for our club, with the money we have to offer players and the prospect of our future success who can we reasonably expect to attract, chicken before egg, egg before chicken is irrelevant we cannot expect any manager to exceed to a promotion challenge with such limited resources,
indeed to stay in the football league itself presents a big challenge, although I like most other fans have at times found thing to criticise decisions that Leam have been made, we do so mainly without the full Knowledge & implications known by our manager, personally I’ve found Beatie’s influence on the team a negative factor and admit to shouting rubbish when he not subbed in the match against Dagenham.
to make a start on building for the future we need to attract more supporters, and with the older supporters dying out, we need to attract the youngsters, would it not pay in the long term interests of the club to extend the under 12’s entrance fee of a £1 to all those under seventeen, keeping a regular volume of young attenders vital for the long time survival of our club

[DaveinGermany]

Catch 22 - reduce prices to encourage support - less money available for players - less money players go elsewhere - less prolific players more defeats - no one wants to see a side constantly showing poorly / losing, fans walk ! - Club back to lack of money. And the process goes on anon !

It's difficult to call or see a solution to the ongoing problems & better men than me are trying.

[football19]

Must admit,in a funny sort of way, I am looking forward to the rest of the season,something to play for,a lot of twists and turns,highs and lows,at least it will be interesting right upto the last game !!!