Andy Holt

DAV007 · 09-05-2017, 12:09

Andy Holt is on the hawksbee and Jacobs show on talksport at some point between 1-4pm.

If you miss it, he will be on the show podcast which comes out around 7pm

Exile on Spencer St · 09-05-2017, 19:25

Also making headlines on the Beeb's football website about how the excessive spending of the Premier League is killing the game in the EFL.

st06nc2 · 09-05-2017, 19:37

Premier league have responded and have basically told mr holt to shut up complaining or the money stops

Lord Stiffupperlip · 09-05-2017, 20:03

Premier League to write to Accrington Stanley chairman after criticism - BBC Sport

Link above to the BBC article by Andy Holt.
Would appear nobody involved in the game is allowed to criticise the high & mighty Premier League.
To put things in perspective, the 'solidarity' payments to each League 2 club each season is not much more than Man U pay Zlatan Ibrahimovic - PER WEEK!

Chewbacca · 09-05-2017, 20:12

He is 25 years too late, and a hypocrite after loaning Premier League players, supporting Trump and being against worlds women's day.

That is capitalism.

He sold out the fans breaking the club charter for the Burnley game he managed not to sell out. Happy to make money out of a Premier League club then.

Outback Ozzy · 09-05-2017, 20:13

Each League 2 club gets £430,000 per season. Pittance compared the mega rich teams of the Premier League. I say good on yer Mr Holt, do not let the bully boys beat you. Other League 2 chairman should join in this debate and support Andy.

st06nc2 · 09-05-2017, 20:17

#BoycottPremiership #BoycottSkyBT time fans of efl clubs stood up and took a stand against the money grabbing toss bags

cashman · 09-05-2017, 20:27

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Originally Posted by Chewbacca

He is 25 years too late, and a hypocrite after loaning Premier League players, supporting Trump and being against worlds women's day.

That is capitalism.

He sold out the fans breaking the club charter for the Burnley game he managed not to sell out. Happy to make money out of a Premier League club then.

You really are a clown, supporting Trump and against world womens day is sod all to do with how the league treats the lower clubs,

just remind us all when was the last world mens day?

deeayess · 09-05-2017, 20:33

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Originally Posted by st06nc2

#BoycottPremiership #BoycottSkyBT time fans of efl clubs stood up and took a stand against the money grabbing toss bags

The unfortunate thing about it is the big clubs in the EFL won't because they want to be part of it and the little clubs probably wouldn't be missed by the"Big Boys" anyway so no great threat. Take Stanley for example, how many people would care if we went out of business? Not many given our crowds and that would apply to many others.

It's not just the EFL that's affected, it's most leagues in Europe outwith the Big 5 with all the coverage and money. But realistically what can be done because there is no sign of it coming to an end.

Chewbacca · 09-05-2017, 20:56

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Originally Posted by cashman

You really are a clown, supporting Trump and against world womens day is sod all to do with how the league treats the lower clubs,

just remind us all when was the last world mens day?

Only a sexist fool would come out with something like that.

The big guy treats the small guy like **** throughout capitalist society, you can't support it in some circumstances and not in others.

It was millionaire chairman who started the mess, and now it is the billionaires turn. A chairman throwing his toys out of the pram after 25 years like he has just woke up and realised is puzzling.

Exile on Spencer St · 09-05-2017, 21:07

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?...But realistically what can be done because there is no sign of it coming to an end.

Nothing goes on forever, even in football (ask fans of Blackpool, Charlton, Coventry, Rovers, and that former 'big' club from Glasgow).
The PL is basically funded by TV. And the media moguls will go where they can get a bigger and bigger audience.
At the moment, they are happy to sell a product that happens to be based in England but, in terms of personalities, is global.
But maybe the 'fans' amongst China's 1.3 billion (and/or a similar number in India) will soon want to watch something that means something more to them. At the moment it's the global stars at the ends of their careers who are heading out east. But pretty soon it'll be the first choice for agents and their human assets.
The global corporate boys will follow the money and Mancunians may have to resign themselves to having to pay to watch 'their' team on a screen playing in China / India / America.

st06nc2 · 09-05-2017, 21:07

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Originally Posted by Chewbacca

Only a sexist fool would come out with something like that.

The big guy treats the small guy like **** throughout capitalist society, you can't support it in some circumstances and not in others.

It was millionaire chairman who started the mess, and now it is the billionaires turn. A chairman throwing his toys out of the pram after 25 years like he has just woke up and realised is puzzling.

It's called freedom of speech didn't think we lived in a communist society

Chewbacca · 09-05-2017, 21:20

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Originally Posted by st06nc2

It's called freedom of speech didn't think we lived in a communist society

Exactly, that is why the rich get richer.

You can't have communism in football (share out resources equally) but capitalism in the whole society apart from it, not without killing the game with a sterile franchise system.

It is ironic if petty bourgeoisie are anti capitalism in football.

st06nc2 · 09-05-2017, 21:22

It's heartening to see that Andy Holts response to the Premier League is closer to "Bring it, sunshine" than "We're very sorry." Good to see a chairman standing up for what's right

deeayess · 09-05-2017, 21:31

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Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

Nothing goes on forever, even in football (ask fans of Blackpool, Charlton, Coventry, Rovers, and that former 'big' club from Glasgow).
The PL is basically funded by TV. And the media moguls will go where they can get a bigger and bigger audience.
At the moment, they are happy to sell a product that happens to be based in England but, in terms of personalities, is global.
But maybe the 'fans' amongst China's 1.3 billion (and/or a similar number in India) will soon want to watch something that means something more to them. At the moment it's the global stars at the ends of their careers who are heading out east. But pretty soon it'll be the first choice for agents and their human assets.
The global corporate boys will follow the money and Mancunians may have to resign themselves to having to pay to watch 'their' team on a screen playing in China / India / America.

None of those clubs you mention were ever big clubs they just hung on to the coat tails for their 15 minutes of fame. And the Big Club from Glasgow shows exactly what happens when you let "dodgy" owners loose on a club. Neither "Big" clubs from Glasgow are likely to do much because like many of the Big Clubs in Europe outwith the big 5, they no longer compete on ability as clubs in the big leagues buy up all the players whether they need them or not.

We have been saying for years the big money will end but there is no sign of it and the aged players ending their careers abroad was tried in the US in the late 70s and it is still getting nowhere. The same will happen to the game in India and China and the EPL will keep rolling on because the hype will keep going world wide.

We might even get to the stage where all EPL games are shown live including on a Saturday as happens abroad and that will hit EFL gates as well. We can kid ourselves on that it will end sometime and equality will be restored to football but I doubt it will be in our lifetime. If anything it might evolve into a European League and take the money with it and we can say they should get on with it as people will lose interest but it's not the people who go to games they care about, it's the armchair fans and the sponsors.