Belated, half-arsed Swindon thread

[cashman]

Originally Posted by football19

To be honest Cashy,I have noticed that for a while now.For a bloke whos around 6-3,he loses hell of a lot of headers and tends to moan more than ever instead of doing his talking on the pitch.Maybe hes being weighed down with the captaincy,I dont know,but he needs to start getting back to basics and winning ,headers,tackles and playing the simple ball,instead of trying to do other peoples jobs

Yeh agree its been happening fer awhile,no question, dunno what the score is? to me it aint acceptable to continue in that vein.

[smudgie]

Maybe he needs the shock of being on the bench???

I'll let Coley be the judge

[football19]

Agree with that smudgie, and being asked to play in various roles doesn't help,

[SamF]

Always thought Proccy was a mirror to the players around him - in my opinion he plays as good as those he plays with - it's the reason he started with us in the lower divisions and worked his way up with the team.

But then again I also thought Craney played pretty well on Saturday, he is a play maker he creates from just behind the striker, how is he ever going to have an effect on the game when it is just pelted over the top of his head every bloody time. In the second half I'll agree he was ineffective but he was played totally out of position, he hasn't got height and he hasn't got pace, what the hell was he doing as a lone striker.

[fc:stanley]

Originally Posted by SamF

But then again I also thought Craney played pretty well on Saturday

Are you drunk right now?

[football19]

I thought exactly the opposite sam, craney just never got on the ball in the first half, but at least gave there centre backs a game in the second half

[cashman]

Thought craney was one of the few to come outa it wi any credit,meself.

[Redraine]

This is what bothers me about Craney. On numerous occasions on Saturday he got on the ball with a good first touch, but then was immediately tackled out of it by the opposition. He has lost the ability which used to enable him to burst through the tackles and set things up. Contary to what SamF says, he received plenty of ball to feet but was unable to make use of it. He was a magnificent player for us in the promotion season, very dynamic and also scoring plenty of goals from open play, direct from free-kicks and even direct from corners on several occasions! I think he is being picked on past reputation alone, unfortunately.

[Fourth official]

Originally Posted by Redraine

This is what bothers me about Craney. On numerous occasions on Saturday he got on the ball with a good first touch, but then was immediately tackled out of it by the opposition. He has lost the ability which used to enable him to burst through the tackles and set things up. Contary to what SamF says, he received plenty of ball to feet but was unable to make use of it. He was a magnificent player for us in the promotion season, very dynamic and also scoring plenty of goals from open play, direct from free-kicks and even direct from corners on several occasions! I think he is being picked on past reputation alone, unfortunately.

Keep meaning to look at the stats of win % since he returned.At the time I thought Ray Putterill would do a better job in that position.

We know he has ability,but obviously not fit enough,so for me, if he starts,he has clear instructions to run himself into the ground,until the tank is empty and comes off,and builds his match fitness! and will gain more respect from the fans.

[Revived Red]

I wasn't there on Saturday so I can't comment on that one specifically. But I have noticed a trend this season that shows us playing well in away games (notably Oxford and Plymouth) but lacklustre in some home games. I can't help wondering if this is the result of the weight of expectation after last season.

I am also intrigued by the comments about Kurtis Guthrie not being of League Two standard. That was certainly not so at Plymouth where he had a great game. I remain convinced that he will fulfil his potential once he has scored a goal or two which should boost his confidence. In home games especially, I would like to see him and Padraig Amond in partnership up front. To see Craney used as a lone striker must bring delight to the opposition.

[Whalley Red]

Originally Posted by Div3North

On loan we have;

Kern Miller
Wes Fletcher
Padraig Amond
Kevin Long
Tom Bender
James Spray
Luke Dobie
Will Hatfield

I may even have forgotten someone ..............

Fletcher and Lindfield not even in the squad for yesterday - we had midfield options in reserve but not many attacking options. Charlie and Danny Coid on the bench didn't make much sense to me; Kurtis and Padraig didn't get a sniff, and Craney was conspicuous only by his absence. Nobody played the Symes role of holding the ball up; no-one ever put his foot on the ball and took control either .......

That is a lot of loanees, but who is there to fill the Mullin/Symes/Gornell role? James Spray looked as though he was that type of player in the (largely ineffective) 38 minutes that he played, but this is the area in which we need a loanee, not another attacking midfielder.

I'm convinced that if we had a striker who was effective with his back to goal (i.e. holding up the ball and linking up with the attacking midfielders), we would have a team capable of pushing for the playoffs again.

[JEFF]

Originally Posted by Revived Red

I wasn't there on Saturday so I can't comment on that one specifically. But I have noticed a trend this season that shows us playing well in away games (notably Oxford and Plymouth) but lacklustre in some home games. I can't help wondering if this is the result of the weight of expectation after last season.

I am also intrigued by the comments about Kurtis Guthrie not being of League Two standard. That was certainly not so at Plymouth where he had a great game. I remain convinced that he will fulfil his potential once he has scored a goal or two which should boost his confidence. In home games especially, I would like to see him and Padraig Amond in partnership up front. To see Craney used as a lone striker must bring delight to the opposition.

Guthrie and Amond were in partnership up front against Swindon until half time. Guthrie, once again was inefective as he has been in every game he has played. I too was at Plymouth and if you think Guthrie had a great game I must have been watching a different player.

[Revived Red]

Originally Posted by JEFF

I must have been watching a different player.

Maybe you were, Jeff. Have another look at the Plymouth match thread.

Posted by Smudgie: Taken from their forum...........
"they had a very good striker called Guthrie who played cracking today, tall, powerful, good pace and a decent shot on him aswell"

Posted by ExeterLoyal: Guthrie up top was the best player on the pitch by a country mile. Was always there, plucking every ball out of the air with his great touch.

Posted by AccyAgro: Guthrie had a stormer!

Posted by nige b: Kurtis had a great game

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Revived Red

I wasn't there on Saturday so I can't comment on that one specifically. But I have noticed a trend this season that shows us playing well in away games (notably Oxford and Plymouth) but lacklustre in some home games. I can't help wondering if this is the result of the weight of expectation after last season.

I am also intrigued by the comments about Kurtis Guthrie not being of League Two standard. That was certainly not so at Plymouth where he had a great game. I remain convinced that he will fulfil his potential once he has scored a goal or two which should boost his confidence. In home games especially, I would like to see him and Padraig Amond in partnership up front. To see Craney used as a lone striker must bring delight to the opposition.

I was not at Plymouth, but can accept the kid did ok down yon, if so thats a first as far as ive seen, i aint writing the kid off, but think he has to produce more n better displays than he has so far, think maybe coming on fer last 30 mins or so may do him good? but what do i know.

[JEFF]

Originally Posted by Revived Red

Maybe you were, Jeff. Have another look at the Plymouth match thread.

Posted by Smudgie: Taken from their forum...........
"they had a very good striker called Guthrie who played cracking today, tall, powerful, good pace and a decent shot on him aswell

Obviously posted by a Plymouth fan. Plymouth were that bad that even Jay Bell and Peter Murphy would have looked class to a Plymouth fan.