Bits & Bobs

[andyd]

Originally Posted by Whalley Red

No reason to play on if they are bottom of the league and there is no relegation. Wonder how many others will follow them.

Their chairman said he will not put the club in debt and he and the club have no operating budget left to continue think he would have made the decision irrespective of league position.

[Twenty Eight]

The point is the sanctions for not playing.
They will get relegated and some ..........

[Chimer]

Get relegated a league or few, club goes permanently out of existence, or personally bankrupt yourself throwing money down a hole - a fairly easy choice I would think at the end of the day?

[monkey hanger]

Originally Posted by Chimer

Get relegated a league or few, club goes permanently out of existence, or personally bankrupt yourself throwing money down a hole - a fairly easy choice I would think at the end of the day?

the problem for all club owners is that they actually thought as many fans did last august. fans would be back in some numbers in a couple of months down the line. september was quoted by a few on here. those who said no fans would be back until 2021 were classed as doom mongers. even they have proved to be vastly optimistic as things have turned out. without a crystal ball or a gypsy fortuneteller on the board then they have had no chance. wonder who will be the first club to employ a fortune teller as they seem to employ someone in every capacity you can think of.

[Twenty Eight]

Originally Posted by Chimer

Get relegated a league or few, club goes permanently out of existence, or personally bankrupt yourself throwing money down a hole - a fairly easy choice I would think at the end of the day?

Speaking as a fan or as an owner ?
There are funds available if you’re prepared to seek help.
If you seriously think the Owner will go bankrupt you're wrong the club has Limited Liability.

[andyd]

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight

Speaking as a fan or as an owner ?
There are funds available if you’re prepared to seek help.
If you seriously think the Owner will go bankrupt you're wrong the club has Limited Liability.

The funds are available but will put the club in debt which during his tenure he has kept them out of and he states as have some other chairman they wouldn't have started if they had known the funds were to be loans.

[NORTHERNSOUL]

Have you lost the plot ?

How many businesses will go to the wall before then?

Once you reach 68% of the adult population with immunity either from having had covid or from being vaccinated the numbers cannot go any higher than they are now and that's not taking into account that the 68% are the most likely to be hospitalised or to die in fact 98% of deaths and 89% of hospitalisations have come from within people covered in the top 10 groups. They only have to gain another week with the vaccinations and everybody in the top 10 groups will be 3 weeks post their first jab so absolutely no reason why everything can't be back to normal by the May Day bank holiday and the only thing stopping that is Boris and Hancock listening to those so-called experts with a vested interest in dragging this out as long as they can.

But to relate that to football the games that were played with 2k crowds virtually all took place with numbers well in excess of what numbers right across the country are now and guess what there wasn't a single infection attributed to anyone attending any of those games so on that basis there really is no logical argument for saying you couldn't have 2k crowds in tomorrow with virtually no risk at all. And then after a couple of games at that level just set a divisional maximum and allow clubs to have say a third of capacity in.

Now I understand there are old and vulnerable people who are scared of the virus along with those types who crap themselves when a car backfires and nobody is forcing them to do anything But for god's sake why should those of us who have just ignored the virus and the bull that's gone with it have to put up with this crap any longer just for Boris and Hancock to save their skins [ personally i.d have the pair of them locked up for conspiracy to murder for ordering the care homes to accept people who they knew full well were more than likely to be positive resulting in 35 thousand deaths ]So just let those people continue to self isolate for the next 10 years if that's what they feel happiest doing but for god's sake don't make the rest of us and the economy suffer any longer than we have to.

Plod have admitted that they've all but given up investigating breaches of the rules that don't amount to mass events and parties in private houses because the word has gone round that if you simply don't open the door and engage with them if no offences other than breaches of covid regulations are taking place there's absolutely nothing they can do as they have no right of entry.

[NORTHERNSOUL]

The simple answer is the government stop acting like arses and just say that because there seems to have been a major misunderstanding over who said what and as no minutes were taken of the meeting in question they are going to advance another 3 months money as grants but on condition that clubs accepting them fulfil their fixtures and that promotion and relegation takes place as was originally envisaged.

[andyd]

Barrow sack another manager.

[NORTHERNSOUL]

Originally Posted by andyd

Barrow sack another manager.

Should never have appointed him in the first place for any number of reasons.

For a board that do a lot of good things, they seem pretty crap at picking managers.

Seems to me that they were so desperate to find another Evatt they were taken in by a couple of chancers who convinced them that they were just that.

In the summer i.d of just looked at managers with a track record of never having achieved a points total low enough to get a club relegated.

But by appointing Rob Lee they've given themselves half a chance be interesting to see now what happens to the players they furloughed who all played in the games when Lee was in charge last time.

[Twenty Eight]

Originally Posted by andyd

The funds are available but will put the club in debt which during his tenure he has kept them out of and he states as have some other chairman they wouldn't have started if they had known the funds were to be loans.

How many clubs have gone under since the first outbreak of covid ? Not going to scroll back but all those forecasts of large scale club collapses, no money for transfers, reduced wages reduces squads....... all nonsense.

[andyd]

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight

How many clubs have gone under since the first outbreak of covid ? Not going to scroll back but all those forecasts of large scale club collapses, no money for transfers, reduced wages reduces squads....... all nonsense.

Have you got access to all the clubs accounts because it will be interesting to see them all post Covid, don't forget also some have took advantage of the government grants, Barrow even had the nerve to put out of favour players back on furlough, Andy Holt says Stanley prudently run will lose £150000 to £ 200000 on top of around £80000 last season. Also a lot of clubs with large backroom staff made substantial redundancies possibly enabling them to continue to sack managers and pay over inflated wages, the price to be paid will ultimately be blamed on anything other than themselves.

[monkey hanger]

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight

How many clubs have gone under since the first outbreak of covid ? Not going to scroll back but all those forecasts of large scale club collapses, no money for transfers, reduced wages reduces squads....... all nonsense.

when there is any talk about free money being doled out many cry the poor tale anyway to just get their hands on it. can imagine those in the lower non league structure who have more of less mothballed their clubs, no wages for players, away travel expenses, no match officials, no stewards, gatemen and less on their electric bills all paid out of 200 fans on a home game cannot be missing much.

[andyd]

17th May earliest sports stadiums will be able to open to the public no way then we will see these current crop of players live August hopefully we'll be back in the Wham.

[Twenty Eight]

Originally Posted by monkey hanger

when there is any talk about free money being doled out many cry the poor tale anyway to just get their hands on it. can imagine those in the lower non league structure who have more of less mothballed their clubs, no wages for players, away travel expenses, no match officials, no stewards, gatemen and less on their electric bills all paid out of 200 fans on a home game cannot be missing much.

On the money mate. I work with one club at level seven and they've never had revenue so good !