Cheltenham stewards

[ukcowboy]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

Has anyone noticed how they always say there is conclusive cctv evidence but there is never an invitation to view it, not even an offer to send it to the club itself if they want to take up the matter on behalf of their fans.

I could be mistaken here, but I was under the impression that the clubs safety officer (Mick or Caroline) could ask to see/have a copy of the cctv footage if they so wished. If said footage then showed the numpty who decided to let a smoke bomb off in the ground (allegedly) and or fans abusing the Stewards/Police then ASFC could take action against them if it was deemed to be appropriate. If, however as I suspect, none of the allegations are truthful, then surely the Club would then be in a position to refute them and demand a fuller explanation?

Perhaps MrT may be in a position to confirm/deny my assertations?

[AccyMad]

Originally Posted by Neil

After the trouble at home games with smoke you would think whoever let that off would have known better.

Fair comment but the fact remains that that one isolated incident did not warrant the treatment the Stanley fans received that day & that was not the reason/excuse given for detaining either of the two who were arrested.
As has already been said on this thread, fans from other clubs have had similar experiences at Cheltenham & some specifically mention the same steward who was involved in the rough treatment of the 15 year old & yet CTFC seem determined to back their stewards to the hilt & put the blame squarely on the Stanley fans.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Neil

After the trouble at home games with smoke you would think whoever let that off would have known better.

agree, but not relevant, the steward involved was a thug,idiot, n knobhead. simple as, Hitler started WW2, but ya wouldn't blame "All" germans.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by cashman

Hitler started WW2, but ya wouldn't blame "All" germans.

Who wouldn't?

[Chimer]

Originally Posted by cashman

agree, but not relevant, the steward involved was a thug,idiot, n knobhead. simple as, Hitler started WW2, but ya wouldn't blame "All" germans.

I'm afraid I think setting off the smoke flares (there were two during the game, to be accurate) is relevant, if only because doing so was likely to wind the stewards up. Not enough to justify what happened subsequently, but something to cost us at least some of the moral high ground and give CTFC something to use in their defence of the indefensible. And of course it's stupid, and potentially dangerous. Numpty is right for whoever set it off, though I wouldn't disagree with "thug,idiot, n knobhead" for the steward either.

[mab]

Originally Posted by ukcowboy

I could be mistaken here, but I was under the impression that the clubs safety officer (Mick or Caroline) could ask to see/have a copy of the cctv footage if they so wished. If said footage then showed the numpty who decided to let a smoke bomb off in the ground (allegedly) and or fans abusing the Stewards/Police then ASFC could take action against them if it was deemed to be appropriate. If, however as I suspect, none of the allegations are truthful, then surely the Club would then be in a position to refute them and demand a fuller explanation?

Perhaps MrT may be in a position to confirm/deny my assertations?

The club asked for a full report from cheltenham and the police after the game.

[ukcowboy]

Originally Posted by mab

The club asked for a full report from cheltenham and the police after the game.

Cheers Mab, I wasnt there so couldnt be sure !

[mab]

Originally Posted by ukcowboy

Cheers Mab, I wasnt there so couldnt be sure !

Dont know the out come,but it was asked for pete

[Mr T]

Originally Posted by mab

The club asked for a full report from cheltenham and the police after the game.

Just spoke to Mr S (he's on a safety course at present)

Yes he's asked for information, as yet no reply
(unlike Crewe who replied immediately)

See you ALL tomorrow!!

[AccyMad]

Originally Posted by Mr T

Just spoke to Mr S (he's on a safety course at present)

Yes he's asked for information, as yet no reply
(unlike Crewe who replied immediately)

See you ALL tomorrow!!

That's interesting, over two weeks since the Cheltenham game & Mick still hasn't had a reply from CTFC. If they were sure their actions were justified surely they'd have sent the necessary information by now.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by AccyMad

That's interesting, over two weeks since the Cheltenham game & Mick still hasn't had a reply from CTFC. If they were sure their actions were justified surely they'd have sent the necessary information by now.

Probably cos they were only justified to them? even cheltenham fans posted on here knocking what happened.

[AccyMad]

Big Al posted on here a couple of days after the incident that if CTFC hadn't replied to anyone who had complained within 14 days, they could be reported to the football league, it's bad enough they've ignored most of us who wrote to them but to ignore the club as well???? - only goes to prove what we've known all along, they were in the wrong but won't admit any liability.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by AccyMad

Big Al posted on here a couple of days after the incident that if CTFC hadn't replied to anyone who had complained within 14 days, they could be reported to the football league, it's bad enough they've ignored most of us who wrote to them but to ignore the club as well???? - only goes to prove what we've known all along, they were in the wrong but won't admit any liability.

yep, funny how they didn't ignore me though.

[Stanleymad]

Suggests everyone & Club take it further to FA, bet they are banking on u not doing so hence ignoring it.

[VALAIRIAN]

Mick S said at FANs meeting last night that he still has not had reply and he - along with some of the others there, Police, FL etc. - suggested that as many as possible write to C.T.F.C. with complaints.

Will get address and post on here.