Cheltenham Thread

[Kiwi John]

Oh look,, there's a trap door..

[Kiwi John]

(Muted "Yeaaaaaaaa" 2-4 )

[Dan]

Computer crashed!
Good pen from Edwards, but too little too late

[DaveinGermany]

Stockport 0 : 4 Hereford who're next to last in the table

Another poor performance from defence costing vital points & with way to many draws this is going to come back & bite them at the end of the season.

[Dan]

All over

[Kiwi John]

Disappointing....

[nige b]

Originally Posted by Kiwi John

Disappointing....

could use other words KJ

[maccawozzagod]

from what I saw;

believe it or not Stanley were the better side today. Or did Cheltenham just allow us to stroke it about?

Cisak never made a save, nor did they miss anything. I await the official stats but practrically every attempt they had went in. The big galoot up front for them (10?) did next to nowt but what he did do, undo us every time. We conceded a silly amount of goals in a few games but replaced a goalkeeper who everyhbody seemed to think was blameless for another who is less experienced. We are still conceding so the blame is either with the defenders or the midfield for not protecting.

IMHO the midfield are next to blameless as todays goals at leaszt were the result or threaded balls either over or between defenders. This seems to be a common problem, either we learn to attack the ball properly when its in the air, or we learn to stand off and defend. At the moment we are doing neither.

Up front. We have nowt. None of the strikers available to us are capable of playing the one up front game, so drop it. Let's have a look and see if any combination of Gornell (rated by most) and Boulding, McConville or Lindfield in some sort of effective combination in a more orthodox 4-4-2.

Jimmy Ryan - every time I see this lad play I feel sorry for him. He is by far and away too good for us. He has 100% effort, 100% application. He plays the right way and tries to thread balls through to players that can't read the pass. He tackles, he wins the ball , he wants to shoot (and can) but players aren't pulling defenders away to make the room for him to have a go.

I've got more say but I won't

[Bernard Dawson]

Originally Posted by maccawozzagod

from what I saw;

believe it or not Stanley were the better side today. Or did Cheltenham just allow us to stroke it about?

Cisak never made a save, nor did they miss anything. I await the official stats but practrically every attempt they had went in. The big galoot up front for them (10?) did next to nowt but what he did do, undo us every time. We conceded a silly amount of goals in a few games but replaced a goalkeeper who everyhbody seemed to think was blameless for another who is less experienced. We are still conceding so the blame is either with the defenders or the midfield for not protecting.

IMHO the midfield are next to blameless as todays goals at leaszt were the result or threaded balls either over or between defenders. This seems to be a common problem, either we learn to attack the ball properly when its in the air, or we learn to stand off and defend. At the moment we are doing neither.

Up front. We have nowt. None of the strikers available to us are capable of playing the one up front game, so drop it. Let's have a look and see if any combination of Gornell (rated by most) and Boulding, McConville or Lindfield in some sort of effective combination in a more orthodox 4-4-2.

Jimmy Ryan - every time I see this lad play I feel sorry for him. He is by far and away too good for us. He has 100% effort, 100% application. He plays the right way and tries to thread balls through to players that can't read the pass. He tackles, he wins the ball , he wants to shoot (and can) but players aren't pulling defenders away to make the room for him to have a go.

I've got more say but I won't

I agree the point you make about Jimmy Ryan. We rely on him far to much. Also how did a defender get the man of the match award today.

[LongLostSon]

gotta horrible feeling our much vaunted reds will be needing a parachute (table-wise) come next Sat night.

[Pendle Red]

a truly dreadful game from Stanley easily the worst performance of the season

lack of any bite, sadly lacking of ideas, a real loss of form but for the odd one or two players showing a bit of character & tenacity it could have been a worse scoreline.

Cheltenham did their homework, very direct but far more effective they had a gameplan and it worked time & time again, at times we contributed to our own downfall with wayward passing & distribution, space for the Chelts players to run into and Jimmy Ryan once again spinning to find space only to then have to checkback to find a pass to one of his own players?

I would take ninety minutes of hoofball if it meant a win at the moment because points breed confidence

[Redraine]

Once again we were undone by a side who were at least 3 inches taller per man than us. They must have had at least 5 players over 6ft 3in throughout the side against our mostly midgets. I know a good little 'un is as good as a good big 'un (see Jimmy Ryan) but the difference in physique, week in, week out, is very noticeable. I can't see how Coley can possibly start at Chesterfield with 2 such small, ineffective wingers as we did today. Neither of them won a single 50/50 challenge or beat their man EVER. Hopefully Ray Putterill will be back to give us some much needed power up front. I know Winnard had one of his more decent games today, but how anyone could look past Jimmy for man of the match is beyond me. Time after time he emerged with the ball under control through 3 or 4 tackles to get us going. Magic. If the coach doesn't run to Chesterfield I'm seriously thinking of going on strike if it seems likely we start with the two aforementioned players again.

[cashman]

how does a side that concede zero in first 4 league games, start conceding a cart load? to my mind by hoofing the ball, instead of passing too feet, very poor today defensively, agree wi bernard dawson how a defender got MoM today defies logic. the reds did not play well, but fer me still created more chances than cheltenham, revert to 4-4-2, as rob says, cos we aint the men to play 1 up. imho. just hope today was "Lesson Learnt" fer em.

[shakermaker]

Abysmal. Think Coley summed it up well here: ASFC News Story > 3656

I understand that when things go wrong, sometimes you have to go more direct to get a little back. However, how did our lads not realise when punting the ball up in the air that their players were bigger than ours! Idiocy.

Thought Cisak was awful. Should've done better for the first goal, allowed far too much time for the opposition to regroup, and the one time he attempted a quick counter-attack his throw went out for a throw-in. Ridiculous.

Hess = Mess.

We didn't deserve anything out of that game and 2-4 flatters us. Cheltenham weren't a good footballing side at all; they parked the bus for 70 minutes and timewasted at any given opportunity. But that's not a bad thing at this level. They capitalised on what we gave them and they've gone away with the easiest 2-4 win they'll ever have. Goon on them. How a good proportion of their players weren't booked for timewasting though is beyond me.

[smudgie]

Well massively dissapointed and we were lucky not to get smashed by more.

Ryan, Gornell and Turner (once he got switched to his proper position) the only players that came out of today with any credit.

Without doubt the worst performance of the season.

As Coley has said, defensively all over the place.

Think its unfair to blame Cisak, he didnt have a chance with any of the goals and was brilliant at Hereford last Saturday so warranted his place today, however can see Bavs coming in again on Tuesday.

Fingers crossed Chesterfield away on Tuesday night we can revert to the team from the start of the season.

Welcome back Bateson, Proccy and Puterill in my opinion.