Clueless substitution? - Page 3

BTLawson · 11-10-2008, 22:21

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss

I know how you feel, I didn't go home from todays game thinking it was Colemans fault or Proctors fault, still gutted so I won't make any stupid comments.

Well done Ultras after the flat day v Rochdale you where back on form for 80 mins at least.

Totally agree with you. I felt encouraged by most of what I saw today as we outplayed one of the promotion favourites. I went to today's game expecting us to be hammered by them and I couldn't have been more wrong. When we keep the ball on the floor and play football we can give anyone a game. In the end they threw everything at us and given the quality of the players in their side we couldn't hold on. It is a shame as we deserved more but that is football.
Can somebody please explain why its Proccy's fault we lost? Ryan was probably worn out with the shift he put in and Proccy is more defensive anyway so I can see Coleman's thinking with the sub. Only player I could fault today is Griffiths who needs to learn how to pass rather than trying to do it himself. Perhaps he should have come off instead if Ryan was fit

Oh yeah and another thing, I bet all you fans blaming Coleman thought he was clueless when we were 2-0 up.

Let's keep positive. I for one thought today was a big improvement on Rochdale.

yonmon · 11-10-2008, 22:21

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey

Wow!!! What a revelation! I hadn't realised that.

So what's your answer?? Can you add 2000 fans on the gate? Can you invest some money in the club to allow the purchase of new, better players?

It is what it is.

Right on the button T-M.....and we'll have to grin and bear it, even if it hurts a little....as it did today !.
and as it's going to do on lots of occasions over the season !..

It's called The Status Quo !!.

neilhaj · 11-10-2008, 22:22

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey

Wow!!! What a revelation! I hadn't realised that.

So what's your answer?? Can you add 2000 fans on the gate? Can you invest some money in the club to allow the purchase of new, better players?

It is what it is.

I'm not saying i know or have the answers, all i'm doing is saying where the possible problems are, if i had the answers i'd be chairman

neilhaj · 11-10-2008, 22:27

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Originally Posted by BTLawson

Totally agree with you. I felt encouraged by most of what I saw today as we outplayed one of the promotion favourites. I went to today's game expecting us to be hammered by them and I couldn't have been more wrong. When we keep the ball on the floor and play football we can give anyone a game. In the end they threw everything at us and given the quality of the players in their side we couldn't hold on. It is a shame as we deserved more but that is football.
Can somebody please explain why its Proccy's fault we lost? Ryan was probably worn out with the shift he put in and Proccy is more defensive anyway so I can see Coleman's thinking with the sub. Only player I could fault today is Griffiths who needs to learn how to pass rather than trying to do it himself. Perhaps he should have come off instead if Ryan was fit

Oh yeah and another thing, I bet all you fans blaming Coleman thought he was clueless when we were 2-0 up.

Let's keep positive. I for one thought today was a big improvement on Rochdale.

Good post and i agree but really 2-0 up with 10 mins to go and lose the game at home! surely someone has to take the blame?

BTLawson · 11-10-2008, 22:37

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Originally Posted by neilhaj

Good post and i agree but really 2-0 up with 10 mins to go and lose the game at home! surely someone has to take the blame?

With Bradford 2-0 down and 10 minutes to play, they had to go for it. They had nothing to lose. I think even the league's best defences would have had many problems contending with Thorne (the league's top goalscorer) Boulding and Conlon. And let's face it, we can't afford to have the best defenders in the league. If you want someone to blame, blame Stuart McCall for throwing everything at us in those last 10 minutes.

MCR ADIM · 12-10-2008, 00:03

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Originally Posted by BTLawson

Totally agree with you. I felt encouraged by most of what I saw today as we outplayed one of the promotion favourites. I went to today's game expecting us to be hammered by them and I couldn't have been more wrong. When we keep the ball on the floor and play football we can give anyone a game. In the end they threw everything at us and given the quality of the players in their side we couldn't hold on. It is a shame as we deserved more but that is football.
Can somebody please explain why its Proccy's fault we lost? Ryan was probably worn out with the shift he put in and Proccy is more defensive anyway so I can see Coleman's thinking with the sub. Only player I could fault today is Griffiths who needs to learn how to pass rather than trying to do it himself. Perhaps he should have come off instead if Ryan was fit

Oh yeah and another thing, I bet all you fans blaming Coleman thought he was clueless when we were 2-0 up.

Let's keep positive. I for one thought today was a big improvement on Rochdale.

spot on, i think ryan will turn out to big one of the best players this season! he put in a great effort today, and also getting on the score sheet, great goal. he did take some bashing with tackles but he never stopped working always going back and putting tackles in, the whloe squad played well today. cant imagine how the squad feel, specially kenny he was hardly tested all game. griffiths had a great game today, if he was ever made available i would like him to sign. i thought he was going to take griffiths off becuase it looked like he had an injury as he were streching his leg in last 10mins! i think its wrong to blame the players/management! massive improvement from rochdale. alot of positives can be taken from this game! keep the faith

Reamer · 12-10-2008, 00:05

When Conlon came on we were 2-0 up. The threat was three attackers against two defenders i.e Murdoch & Edwards who had both had a good game. We had the capability to hold and play the ball on the floor (J Mullin & Miles had shown during the game that they can play on the deck). Paul Mullin should have been sent to mark Conlon in defence (remember we're 2-0 up, we don't need to score again we just need to stop them scoring and there's only 10 mins to go) When we win the ball instead of lumping it forward we just need to give it to the ball players and encourage them to keep it as long as they can , wind the clock down , frustrate 'em. Good in retrospect, eh? It's nothing to do with Proctor. We left ourselves open. As someone has said they threw everything at us and we didn't have an answer.

SamF · 12-10-2008, 00:12

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Originally Posted by BTLawson

Can somebody please explain why its Proccy's fault we lost? Ryan was probably worn out with the shift he put in and Proccy is more defensive anyway so I can see Coleman's thinking with the sub.

You asked someone to explain so I will.

Firstly, you asked why everyone is blaming Proccy for the loss - the simple fact is that we are not, it was Coleman who chose to put him there and in place of Ryan. Proccy can do a job for stanley and that is to play in a defensive midfield role and work bloody hard from the start to the end of a game. He is not an impact player who will make a positive difference as a sub nor a calm head to help slow down the pace of a panicked team.

Secondly there is the old saying don't fix what ain't broke - we were playing well, there was no reason to change, so why change ?

Thirdly, you yourself pointed out Proccy is a more defensive player - are the problems with putting a defensive midfielder on the right wing not obvious?

Finally and I believe most importantly, Ryan wasn't showing any signs of slowing down and when you are up 2-0 against a promotion contender with 10 minutes to go what you need to do is get your wingers down at their corner flags and keeping hold of the ball for as long as possible. Jimmy Ryan could and would have done that, he has the skill on the ball required to do so.

MCR ADIM · 12-10-2008, 00:19

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Originally Posted by SamF

Thirdly, you yourself pointed out Proccy is a more defensive player - are the problems with putting a defensive midfielder on the right wing not obvious?

But he was not playing long enough for that to make an inpact, if he was playing from the start on the wing than yeh it would be a problem, but 10mins come on, should of just got the ball and run with it or just passed it to anyone in red, easy to do for 10mins aint it. am not blameing proccy as i agree he should of not come on, but if you dont make mistakes how do you learn?

DAV007 · 12-10-2008, 08:49

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Originally Posted by neilhaj

PS John Miles......well done lad, you're like a new signing, another mistake john made getting rid of you last season????

This just proves that 90% of the comments on this thread are total rubbish based on emotions not fact.

regarding john miles, he is a player who needs motivation - if you speak to any macclesfield fan, you will find he only started trying when his contract was coming to an end.
Stanley is his last chance as nobody else wants him - I would say that is a good reason why we are seeing him show his true ability through more dedicated application.

I cant be bothered responding to anyone else. I was proud of the whole club after yesterday, the whole club apart from the moaners on here who constantly forget the foundations we are fighting on compared to our rivals.

Well done lads, had a fantastic 80mins.

JC = football genius.

OLDHAMADE · 12-10-2008, 09:17

Just watch the next installment of 'Exactly' and the samaritans hotline will be in meltdown

Atleast you didn't get mashed 5-0, chin up fellas!

accybantam · 12-10-2008, 09:35

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Originally Posted by DAV007

I cant be bothered responding to anyone else. I was proud of the whole club after yesterday, the whole club apart from the moaners on here who constantly forget the foundations we are fighting on compared to our rivals.

Well done lads, had a fantastic 80mins.

JC = football genius.

Well said - I was impressed with Accy Stanley today and agreed with Staurt McCalls after match comments where he felt for Accy and agreed City were fortunate to say the least.

What surprises me, reading this forum, is the focus being put on the substitution as the area of blame. Firstly Andy Procter - I thought he was your best player by some way when you beat us at Valley Parade last year and had heard there were other clubs quite interested in him ? If the lads coming back from injury it seems a pretty sensible substitution at 2-0 up with 10 minutes to go to get him back on the park. There weren't howls of derision at the time and infact i recall pretty rapturous applause. Easy to be the 9 o'clock jury. So I'm not convinced that slating Procter and/or the Manager is justified. If we played 100 10 minute games against you giving you a 2 goal start chances are that was the one in a hundred where that would happen.

Good luck rest of the season.

yonmon · 12-10-2008, 09:47

I was proud of the whole club after yesterday, the whole club apart from the moaners on here who constantly forget the foundations we are fighting on compared to our rivals.

Well done lads, had a fantastic 80mins.

JC = football genius.[/quote]

& from MCR A.... i think its wrong to blame the players/management! massive improvement from rochdale. alot of positives can be taken from this game! keep the faith

This is what we should be saying lads!...having taken the point that for ten minutes 'The Reds' apparently assumed that they were a better team than Bradford City, and tried to impress that fact upon everyone in the FES....and FAILED !.
All this is now water under the Bridge...We can't afford any better players...Who else is there to Manage the Club any better under the present circumstances ?....and who else to lift the Team to even better efforts than their Fans?..
As MCR says...KEEP THE FAITH !!!..

'ON STANLEY !...ON !!!!'

lancsdave · 12-10-2008, 09:52

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Originally Posted by DAV007

This just proves that 90% of the comments on this thread are total rubbish based on emotions not fact

Thats what being a football supporter is based on, emotion and passion. Even the most moaniest supporter does it because he/she wants his/her club to do well.

Willie Miller · 12-10-2008, 10:07

McCall changed the game because his Plan A never worked however his plan B did!!!. Accy lost cause people never did their job properly........