Clueless substitution?

[shakermaker]

Originally Posted by MCR ADIM

but if you dont make mistakes how do you learn?

We must be learning like a mothabitch.

[shakermaker]

Originally Posted by accybantam

Well said - I was impressed with Accy Stanley today and agreed with Staurt McCalls after match comments where he felt for Accy and agreed City were fortunate to say the least.

What surprises me, reading this forum, is the focus being put on the substitution as the area of blame. Firstly Andy Procter - I thought he was your best player by some way when you beat us at Valley Parade last year and had heard there were other clubs quite interested in him ? If the lads coming back from injury it seems a pretty sensible substitution at 2-0 up with 10 minutes to go to get him back on the park. There weren't howls of derision at the time and infact i recall pretty rapturous applause. Easy to be the 9 o'clock jury. So I'm not convinced that slating Procter and/or the Manager is justified. If we played 100 10 minute games against you giving you a 2 goal start chances are that was the one in a hundred where that would happen.

Good luck rest of the season.

The grumbles over the substitution are because of who was taken off rather than who was brought on.

[afrikaaner]

your quote,if you don,t make mistakes ,how do you learn.how many do you want before we fall back into non league ?

[Outback Ozzy]

I cannot believe how many have said we played well for 80 minutes and lost it in the last 10!! The game of football is played over 90 minutes and if we cannot do that then we have no chance of staying in the league. Yes we murdered Bradford yesterday and I must say that is the best football I have seen at the FES in a long time, but it is no good blaming the manager or the substitute for the loss. Even after Proccy came on we looked like we could score again and I said to a mate at 2-0 I think we need another to kill the game and put it to bed. It was not to be and believe me I hate it. If we can play like we did today against Bradford for the full 90 minutes plus any added on time, we should do OK against Luton next week. As for the Morecambe game, we will pick it up as we always do against them, local rivalry and all that. I think it is time for the likes of Captain Cav and Rocky to say goodbye to the club, and I agree with others that Griffiths would be a useful acquisition, but he needs to show more team fight i.e. pass to other attackers not try to take on 3 or 4 defenders at a time. He is young and will learn though. Cav and Rocky have given the club sterling service over the years but in both cases, they have come back from injury and they are not the players they used to be, unfortunate I know, but that's how it is. Nice to see a decent crowd and no, Bradford did not outnumber us - figures are 1505 for Bradford and 1507 for Stanley. Lets keep the faith with the management unless someone else is available who could do the job with little or no money. If we are to change the management, it would have to be with someone who knows the loan market inside out, because unless a sugar daddy comes and takes over from Eric and bankrolls the club, it aint going to happen.

[Caretaker Jr]

I was at the game and can't believe we lost it. I thought we were playing great until Ryan went off. I thought Cav was at fault once again. He is getting booked too many times and giving away pointless free kicks and one that cost us on Saturday.

[Stevo]

I totally am amazed at the Coleman substitution....the maxim is if it don't need fixing.....etc...Ryan was playing exceptionally well and causing a lot of problems for their defence....Proctor came on ..not up to speed got caught in possession near their corner flag...ball went down the other end Boulding scores and ALL that HARD WORK the team had put in evaporated....Someone said to me that the mini training session at half time was stupid..Coleman said it was to keep them focused ...well...THAT mini 10 minute session could have caused the LACK of focus for the last 10 mins....same person also wondered whether another bet had been placed...What odds that.....such a good game was thrown away..
Bradford fans all went home laughing all the way to the Bradford and Bingley bank:-)
Whilst I went home gutted and devastated..............

[Bagpuss]

Originally Posted by Stevo

Coleman said it was to keep them focused ...well...THAT mini 10 minute session could have caused the LACK of focus for the last 10 mins....same person also wondered whether another bet had been placed...What odds that.....

FFS now this is getting totally stupid, I'm not a massive Coleman fan but this post is beyond me. The half time kickabout maybe did work because we scored a 2nd goal while Bradford looked still cold and as for the betting comment have some neg karma you idiot.

Then again you might be a troll !!!

[VALAIRIAN]

LISTEN!

I WAS AT THE GAME YESTERDAY AND COULD NOT MYSELF BELIEVE WHAT HAPPEND, BUT IT DID.AS I WALKED OUT OF THE GROUND AND UP LIVVY ROAD TWO BRADFORD FANS CAME UP TO ME AND APLOGISED FOR THE RESULT SAYING AND I QUOTE " I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO GUTTED FOR AWAY FANS AS I HAVE TODAY!" "WE WERE PLAYED OFF THE PARK AND CANNOT BELIEVE WE CAME AWAY WITH THE POINTS" I SMILED BECAUSE I DID NO WHAT ELSE TO DO, WE HAD PLAYED THEM OFF THE PARK AND LOST! HOW??? I CARRIED ON UP LIVVY ROAD LISTENING TO ANOTHER BRADFORD FAN ON HIS MOBILE TO HIS DAD EXPLAINING JUST HOW BY PLAYING POORLY AND BEING OUT PLAYED TOTALLY THEY HAD SOMEHOW COME AWAY WITH THE POINTS. ALL THE WAY UP LIVVY ROAD AND ALONG WHALLEY ROAD UNTIL I MET MY LIFT ALL I COULD HERE WAS BRADFORD FANS TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY HAD BEEN TOTALLY OUT PLAYED AND OUT FOOTBALLED YET STILL COME AWAY WITH ALL THE POINTS!

IT HAS HAPPEND I MYSELF DO NOT KNOW HOW BUT IT HAS. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANDY PROCTOR AND JIMMY RYAN, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JOHN COLEMAN! IF AC CAN LOOSE A THREE GOAL LEAD THEN ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE AS ONE CHAP SAID THAT IS FOOTBALL.

FOR THE FIRST 10/20 MINS THE GAME WAS NOTHING SPECIAL THEN WE SCORED AND PLAYED SOME GOOD CONTROLLED FOOTBALL, EVEN KEEPING OUT THOSE 45th MIN GOALS FROM FREEKICKS! AND WHEN WE WENT 2 NIL UP I MUST ADMIT THAT ALONG WITH MOST OF THE CLAYTON ENDERS I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE PICKING UP A LONG AWAITED 3 POINTS.AND WHEN PROCCY WAS WARMING UP FROM THE HOUR MARK WE ALL THOUGHT 'GET HIM SOME MATCH TIME' BECAUSE HE IS ONE OF OUR BETTER PLAYERS AND WHEN HE CAME ON WITH 10 MINS TO GO I DID NOT HEAR MANY COMPLAINING - MORE OF GOOD SUBSITUTION GET HIM SOME MATCH FITNESS. THE ONLY THING AS A TEAM THE WERE GUILTY OF WAS NOT HAVING THE ABILITY OF CLOSING OUT A GAME AS ONE THREAD SAID EARLIER.

IT HAS HAPPEND AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE (ACCY/BRADFORD) DO NOT KNOW HOW! WE HAVE TO MOVE ON AND WHILST THE PROSPECT OF WYCOMBE/SHREWS AT HOME AFTER -18 LUTON AWAY DO NOT FILL ME WITH CONFIDENCE LETS DO TO THEM WHAT THE WEST YORKSHIRE LOT DID TO US.

KEEP THE FAITH AND KEEP BELIEVING. WE HAS NO FANS,NO INCOME,NO MONEY BUT WE ARE STILL IN LEAGUE TWO!! LETS DO OUR BEST TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE ON THE INSIDE WHO GOT US THERE AND THUS FAR KEPT US THERE!!

JOHHNY COLEMANS RED AND WHITE ARMY!!

P.S.

A MASSIVE WELL DONE TO THE ULTRAS, NEVER HEARD OWT LIKE IT IT WAS CRACK ON, WELL DONE LADS I KNOW WE CAN ALWAYS RELY ON YOU!!!!!!!!!

[Willie Miller]

Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN

P.S.

A MASSIVE WELL DONE TO THE ULTRAS, NEVER HEARD OWT LIKE IT IT WAS CRACK ON, WELL DONE LADS I KNOW WE CAN ALWAYS RELY ON YOU!!!!!!!!!

I'd say Clayton End mate, not just Ultras, anyone who joined in were immense too

[VALAIRIAN]

My Apologies Willie You Are Quite Correct Almost All Of The Clayton End Were To Be Proud Of As Were The Stanley!

[lancsdave]

Does anyone have a spare caps lock key that isn't sticking ?

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Willie Miller

I'd say Clayton End mate, not just Ultras, anyone who joined in were immense too

Quite right...proud to be a Clayton Ender yesterday!

[JEFF]

10 mins to go, 2-0 up and coasting. Why change it. Why take off Jimy Ryan and bring on Procky and put him on the right wing. Any sensible manager would either have left it as it was or if determined to make a substitution, take off a striker and bring on a defender, or even bring on a midfielder (Procky) and play five across the middle. I cannot understand bringing on Procky and playing him on the wing. As for Cav, he was posted missing from his full back spot for most of the game (as usual). Bradford attacked us down their left with ease, this was made easier by taking off Ryan and bringing on Procky. Last week at Barnet, Coley takes off Murdock and brings on Rocky, about ten minutes later Rocky had conceded a penalty and been sent off (another brilliant substitution by the football genius). I blame Coley for the defeat by Bradford and if we are relegated by three points I will blame him for Stanley losing their Football League status. Jobs for the boys- Rocky, Procky and Cav. Procky probably got his appearance bonus for coming on for the last ten minutes. Rocky probably got his appearance bonus at Barnet for giving away a penalty and getting sent off. Why change the team just for the sake of it. Come on Coley admit it YOU MADE A MISTAKE, don't blame the ref, don't blame the players - IT WAS YOUR FAULT. Oh by the way, I hope you enjoyed your birthday after you spoiled my week-end.

[John_Timmins]

one substitution changed the game and that was theirs, they chucked barry conlon on and that changed the balance of the game, they threw everything at us and our defence switched off for 10 minutes...and for anyone who thinks that coleman does not care for this club....KIP_2795.jpg :: Accy v Bradford City

Play like that every week and we would win more games than we will lose

[JEFF]

Originally Posted by John_Timmins

one substitution changed the game and that was theirs, they chucked barry conlon on and that changed the balance of the game, they threw everything at us and our defence switched off for 10 minutes...and for anyone who thinks that coleman does not care for this club....KIP_2795.jpg :: Accy v Bradford City

Play like that every week and we would win more games than we will lose

Conlon came on after 60 minutes. How did that change the game, please explain. The game changed with ten minutes to go. Stanley made their substitution with ten minutes to go, what a coincidence. What I am saying is why make a substitution when everything is going right. If Coley was determined to make a substitution why not take off a striker and bring on a defender. You say you noticed that Conlon changed the game, if so, why did Coley not bring on a defender to stop the game changing or did he not notice that the game had changed since Conlon came on, if he didn't then according to you he wasn't doing his job right. Nobody says that Coley does not care for the club, but caring for a club and managing a club are two different things. All the Stanley fans care for the club but they would not make good managers. Two games in succession Coley has made substitutions that have cost us the game and anybody who says different isn't watching the same games as I am. Three times last season we lost games after leading 2-0, any other team would have put up the defence and held on to their lead, but not Coley, he wants to score three or four, we need a change of tactics to hold on to a lead. Four times this season we have scored first and finished up losing, it can't continue. I will say it again there is only one person responsible COLEY, his team, his tactics, his substitutions, his football genius. I clicked on your link to the picture of Coley, can you not read his lips? I am sure he is saying "Why did I make that substitution"