Colemans comments?

[A Saddler]

Originally Posted by stanley convert

Well this one has stirred up a hornets nest aint it got to agree with maccawozzagod and wyonie on this one JC wears his heart on his sleeve as far as ASFC and its fans are concernd and i respect him for having the balls to say it out loud and not just behind the dressing room door this is why we pay the man.We should have taken all three points off wallsall on saturday it was there for the taking and we failed yes they were well oganised in defence but we had the chance to send them back down the M6 with nowt top of the league or not they were lucky but thats football.As for any wallsall fans on here thinking they will have an easy ride when we visit them think again cos STANLEY ARE BACK and we will not roll over and play dead

You aint listening are ya?

We haven't played particular well in one away game this season (apart from when we beat a full strength Plymouth side in the Carling Cup) but we keep coming away and not losing. That's not lucky, it's called grinding out results and what promotion teams are made of. We're fed up of hearing opposition fans complain they should have won. You only win if you score more goals than your opponents!

We're not expecting an easy ride at our place but our players will be that motivated after those comments they'll make sure he regrets them.

[shakermaker]

Originally Posted by A Saddler

You aint listening are ya?

We haven't played particular well in one away game this season (apart from when we beat a full strength Plymouth side in the Carling Cup) but we keep coming away and not losing. That's not lucky, it's called grinding out results and what promotion teams are made of. We're fed up of hearing opposition fans complain they should have won. You only win if you score more goals than your opponents!

We're not expecting an easy ride at our place but our players will be that motivated after those comments they'll make sure he regrets them.

He's right you know.
We did it for about 2 months last season, playing awfully but getting the results. That's all that matters at the end of the day.
Which is why our fans tend to feel agrieved at our results sometimes, when we play free flowing, exciting football & come away with a loss due to a couple of stupid goals. It's something that will be fixed with experience I think.

[stanley convert]

I am not saying he is not right and i am not complaining whinging or moanig about the result you win some you lose some thats called sport but this thread is about JCs post match comments and if A Saddler thinks for one minute that they will make any difference when we visit them well thats his opinion to which he is entitled, we will see

[belgiansaddler]

your whinging g!t of a manager Coleman is doing you no favours. Comments about how it would have been a disaster to draw against us and was beyond belief to lose to us, and that Accy are apparently so much better than us is just making him a laughing stock. We did not play that well on Saturday but on the other hand we did not have to. We scored, sat back, you equalised so we stepped up a gear and scored again. That pillock Coleman must have been at a different match. To be honest we were expecting a tough game but as it turned out we never had to get out of second gear. I do sympathise to an extent though. For the last couple of seasons we have had a moron gobsh!te manager who talked through his ar5e

I also fear for you if you cannot start getting more support. You have a good home record, you play the Lg leaders, neither Burnley or Blackburn were playing, we took 1300 (apparently) and you can still only muster a crowd of 3000!! If we only took 1300 I would like to know where on earth you could have fitted another 700 fans in that away end, we were like sardines as it is. Does the public of Accrington actually want a team in the league?

Oh and by the way your ground should be condemned.

[stanley convert]

Well don,t come again oh sorry you might have to when your in league two next season cos you aint that good

[belgiansaddler]

dont think i will have to mate cos with your support you are going back where you came from

[stanley convert]

i don,t really give a monkeys wotsit about your opinion of JC or ASFC in general but if you have nothing constructive to say go and do it on you own walsall the unbeatable web site

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by shakermaker

He's right you know.
We did it for about 2 months last season, playing awfully but getting the results. That's all that matters at the end of the day.
Which is why our fans tend to feel agrieved at our results sometimes, when we play free flowing, exciting football & come away with a loss due to a couple of stupid goals. It's something that will be fixed with experience I think.

i agree i think we will be staying up which most of us would have been happy with at the beginning of the season weve got a solid foundation for a good team with a bit of tinkering and a new striker

[belgiansaddler]

well thats very constructive!! I thought i made some very constructive points in my first post which you failed to respond to. I thought a football forum was for debate? Apparently only if you share the same views as you. I would be genuinely interested to know what you think about the crowd situation and whether the town actually deserves or wants a league team.

Accy had an enormous amount of goodwill from fans around the country after your long and difficult journey back. Idiotic comments like those of your manager and the attitude of many Accy posters on here when responding to points made by Saddlers and fans of other teams are likely to ensure that any goodwill is eroded pretty fast. Still I'm sure you know best. Had to give any of your best players away this week yet?

[Zero]

Originally Posted by belgiansaddler

I also fear for you if you cannot start getting more support. You have a good home record, you play the Lg leaders, neither Burnley or Blackburn were playing, we took 1300 (apparently) and you can still only muster a crowd of 3000!! If we only took 1300 I would like to know where on earth you could have fitted another 700 fans in that away end, we were like sardines as it is. Does the public of Accrington actually want a team in the league?

Oh and by the way your ground should be condemned.

Because Stanley have been out of the league for 44 years with a prmiership and championship team within 8 miles on either side townsfolk have naturally filtered towards the Claret or the Blue in search of the good life. Now is the new beginning of REARING REDS, for new youngsters of Accy and hyndburn to be chosing their home team as their first team. At the start of the season most people were like "Ooh can we stay up", clobber a few good teams and everyone`s outraged when we don`t beat the league leaders. These are the passions and emotions that run wild in such an up and down sport where yesterdays heroes are tomorrows zeros. Sorry If our ground`s not up to your standards but we`ve naturally got 44 yrs of catching up to do, and believe me Accy fans complain about it more than any of you ever will. Don`t get upset by the odd poster on here giving you a bit of stick, most of us got on really well with most of you, and certainly appriciate the following you brought. 2 Saddlers even became My Space friends today. Sounds like both teams let their fans down but you came away with the points, it`s up to us to show some improvement for Bescot.
Stop moaning about discrepencies in the attendance figures before you alert the taxman.

[sparkie]

If we only took 1300 I would like to know where on earth you could have fitted another 700 fans in that away end

I'm not quite sure where you got your information about our away capacity being 2000, coz its utter bull sh1t!!!

Our capacity for the 2 sections you had on saturday comes to roughly 1400!!! 1000 behind the goal and 400 in the corner and cowshed.

On Coley though, we're all used to him doing things his way, coz lets face it he's a big bloke and not many would say anything to his face!!!

What gets me though is he does persist in making himself look a bit of a pratt in the press. I notice he's already trying to slyly backpeddle in the telegraph tonight, saying that he was hoping for back to back championships and it came as a major shock and disappointment to him on saturday that we didn't beat a Walsall that didn't perform as well as their league position suggests. (I am paraphrasing)

In some ways I'm with Coley, for instance he's right it was a game we could and probably should have won, but he just seems to go the wrong way about telling the press that. Instead of being grudgingly gracious in defeat, he goes around making silly flipant comments that get taken out of all preportion and we end up with a thread like this!!! He's done twice already this season, I just wish the guy would sit down take a few deep breaths and then talk to the press rather than making himself look a prize pillock!!!

[Wynonie Harris]

A couple of points here...

Attendances - the population of Accrington is 38,000. The population of Walsall is, I'm led to believe, 174,000. Our average attendance so far this season is 2,553. Yours is 5,151. Therefore, per head of population, we are actually BETTER supported than you.

Our stadium - seven seasons ago, we were playing in Unibond One which, if you weren't aware of it, is basically a glorified parks league. Since then, thanks in no small part to our "loudmouth" manager, we've risen faster than any other club in the UK. However, we don't have a rich backer and the meagre resources we do have all went into building up a winning team. So what would you have preferred us to do? (a) Win the conference, have the ground passed and then turn down promotion to the league because fans from clubs like Walsall might feel uncomfortable when they visit here or (b) Spend lots of money we don't have on new stands, then go bankrupt (sorry, we've already been there done that and got the T-shirt!).

We know the ground has its limitations and we hope to improve it but until then, you'll just have to put up with it!

[Kiwi John]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

A couple of points here...

Attendances - the population of Accrington is 38,000. The population of Walsall is, I'm led to believe, 174,000. Our average attendance so far this season is 2,553. Yours is 5,151. Therefore, per head of population, we are actually BETTER supported than you.

Our stadium - seven seasons ago, we were playing in Unibond One which, if you weren't aware of it, is basically a glorified parks league. Since then, thanks in no small part to our "loudmouth" manager, we've risen faster than any other club in the UK. However, we don't have a rich backer and the meagre resources we do have all went into building up a winning team. So what would you have preferred us to do? (a) Win the conference, have the ground passed and then turn down promotion to the league because fans from clubs like Walsall might feel uncomfortable when they visit here or (b) Spend lots of money we don't have on new stands, then go bankrupt (sorry, we've already been there done that and got the T-shirt!).

We know the ground has its limitations and we hope to improve it but until then, you'll just have to put up with it!

...And dread coming to 'The House of Pain".

[belgiansaddler]

i'm sure that we were told that the ground could accommodate 2000 away fans, I assumed that meant in the away end, but i could not swear to that. In relation to your support i take your point that with 40 odd years out and so called big clubs in the area you have got a lkot of work to do. we also suffer from the so called bigger neighbours syndrome and as a result get pretty crap crowds. Attendances can only grow over a period of tiome with an attractive and successful team plus imaginative and consistent efforts by the club to attract new fans, something i don't think walsall are very good at. I did however expect there to be more of a buzz in Accrington that would have at least initially allowed you to attract more fans.

As for your ground there is no denying it is poor, I am surprised that it was passed fit for the league. Don't get me wrong I have been to plenty of
sh!tholes, including Fellows Park. I also do not like many of the sterile new grounds in the middle of nowhere and the location of Bescot leaves a lot to be desired. At least Accy is like an old away game, a few (very friendly) pubs near the ground, a few pints and a laugh with the locals. I would much rather visit Accy than Chester and a few other places in this league. I think you will have trouble attracting significantly more fans in this day and age however unless you can improve the facilities. And unless you can start getting more folk through the doors you will get into the vicious circle of having to get rid of any half decent player that you have and then the only way is down.

All in all i enjoyed the day. Apologies for some of my more sarcy comments in earlier posts, but Coleman p!ssed me off with his ridiculous comments. At least he has done Dicky Dosh's team talk for him for the return match. Anyway good luck and hope to see loads of you at Biscuit Stadium for the return

[JEFF]

As for your ground there is no denying it is poor, I am surprised that it was passed fit for the league.

When Stanley went bust in 1962 they lost everything, the ground included. Since then many teams have gone bust but have not lost their grounds, they have started up as a new Company and had a ground to play on. When Stanley started up again they leased the current ground from the Council. At the time it was basically a field with a bog in the corner growing bullrushes. Stanley have never had a generous benefactor and all the ground improvements have had to be done and paid for by money generated by the Club. Seven years ago Stanley were in Unibond Division One and relying on gates of around 200-300. A lot of work has gone into getting the ground up to the standard it is now. I know it is probably the worst ground in the league but it has been built with a lot of hard work and commitment. Quite a few clubs in the league have improved their grounds and then gone into administration so at the end of the day their improvements have cost them little. Try to imagine the work that has been done after starting with a field and no money and you will probably realise that it is a bloody good ground.