Covid and Fixtures

[Exile on Spencer St]

So Savid Javid, who has had his jabs, could have gone to a match before he realised he’d caught a dose (or even afterwards, if he didn’t tell anyone).
But someone who has immunity from having had the Covid flu, or isn’t jabbed or fully jabbed, but would test negative, can’t.
This isn’t science, it’s something else.

[monkey hanger]

it never was science in the first place. there has been plenty of things brought in and attempted to be brought in during the last 18 months that have sod all to do with covid or any science whatsoever.

[monkey hanger]

Originally Posted by andyd

This could be an interesting one even Andy Holt has commented on it already this morning on twitter, the government are wanting the Premier league and EFL to have vaccines double jabbed mandatory written into players contracts. The PFA are gearing themselves up for a challenge because this is wanted before October, because a lot of Covid bubbles at football have or are being relaxed and majority of players are youngsters. The argument being with increased mixing with restrictions dropped unvaccinated players will catch the virus thus leading to possible serious disruption of fixtures which they are desperate to avoid. Difficult one because yet again in a free society can one be forced if refusing they lose their job contract or not.

the thing is that all football players are young. they are in a safe catogary for serious illness. all this isolation they are forced to do if they even have a mild case which will be the majority of cases does not help the matter. there is bound to be a PFA legal challenge by any change of a players contract without the players permission. the same will happen outside the game when or if this happens. its football we are on about not healthcare or care home workers.

[Chimer]

Originally Posted by monkey hanger

the thing is that all football players are young. they are in a safe catogary for serious illness. all this isolation they are forced to do if they even have a mild case which will be the majority of cases does not help the matter. there is bound to be a PFA legal challenge by any change of a players contract without the players permission. the same will happen outside the game when or if this happens. its football we are on about not healthcare or care home workers.

So young footballers probably won't die of Covid. But they may visit their grannies occasionally while unknowingly carrying the bug, and the grannies might catch it and die, even if vaccinated. Happy about that?

[ferret man]

Originally Posted by Chimer

So young footballers probably won't die of Covid. But they may visit their grannies occasionally while unknowingly carrying the bug, and the grannies might catch it and die, even if vaccinated. Happy about that?

No but Boris would be

[cashman]

Originally Posted by ferret man

No but Boris would be

load of rubbish

[Mr T]

Originally Posted by Chimer

So young footballers probably won't die of Covid. But they may visit their grannies occasionally while unknowingly carrying the bug, and the grannies might catch it and die, even if vaccinated. Happy about that?

Chimer your so spot on!!

We've got this exact issue at Accy;

Lads with who are assymtamatic have infected (insocently) see loved ones and other lads have young children
Plus if ur "double jabbed" by mis August no need to isolate if you've had a close contact of a "positive" contact.
I'll be fine; never been "positive"

[monkey hanger]

Originally Posted by Chimer

So young footballers probably won't die of Covid. But they may visit their grannies occasionally while unknowingly carrying the bug, and the grannies might catch it and die, even if vaccinated. Happy about that?

thats the total worse case that can happen though. people cannot live their lives thinking that all the time. there is no guarentee that you can pass the virus on killing someone even if you are positive. everyone who is in contact with the public would have had the thing anyway by now if that was the case. you have to be really unlucky to catch it anyway and if you do you have over 99 per cent chance of recovery. better chance than you,d get from a cancer or a serious heart attack or pneumonia.

[Twenty Eight]

It's a minefield isn't it ?
My step son is 28. He refused the vax without any real basis than listening and reading social media.
He got covid. Recovered within 10 days but poorly all the same.
7 days later rushed into hospital with severe pneumonia and blood clots on his lung.
We finally got him home from hospital last night after a frantic period of worry and he's still a way to go.
Are the events coincidental or a consequence ?
I don't know.
He can't have the vax for at least six weeks now so in my eyes "vulnerable".
I'm double vaxed and glad to be.
What I witnessed on that ward I never want to see again.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight

It's a minefield isn't it ?
My step son is 28. He refused the vax without any real basis than listening and reading social media.
He got covid. Recovered within 10 days but poorly all the same.
7 days later rushed into hospital with severe pneumonia and blood clots on his lung.
We finally got him home from hospital last night after a frantic period of worry and he's still a way to go.
Are the events coincidental or a consequence ?
I don't know.
He can't have the vax for at least six weeks now so in my eyes "vulnerable".
I'm double vaxed and glad to be.
What I witnessed on that ward I never want to see again.

hope he recovers soon and no long covid,

[NORTHERNSOUL]

Originally Posted by Mr T

Chimer your so spot on!!

We've got this exact issue at Accy;

Lads with who are assymtamatic have infected (insocently) see loved ones and other lads have young children
Plus if ur "double jabbed" by mis August no need to isolate if you've had a close contact of a "positive" contact.
I'll be fine; never been "positive"

Is it not correct that even under current standard contacts clubs can almost insist on players having the jab if the head of medical decided that's what he wanted to do and the PFA are only using the ramifications from the Hull City/ Barnsley court case to try and drive a hole in that ? to suit their own agenda.

I fail to see how vaccinating a clubs whole staff inc the players could be seen as anything but a good thing and would surely send the message to a lot of a clubs younger fans.

[monkey hanger]

[QUOTE=NORTHERNSOUL;

I fail to see how vaccinating a clubs whole staff inc the players could be seen as anything but a good thing and would surely send the message to a lot of a clubs younger fans.[/QUOTE]

actually you might have hit on something there. younger fans are much more likely at all clubs to get themselves vaccinanated if players advertise the fact that they have been jabbed. they,ll take much more notice of that than anything the government do actually come out with.

[Mr T]

Originally Posted by NORTHERNSOUL

Is it not correct that even under current standard contacts clubs can almost insist on players having the jab if the head of medical decided that's what he wanted to do and the PFA are only using the ramifications from the Hull City/ Barnsley court case to try and drive a hole in that ? to suit their own agenda.

I fail to see how vaccinating a clubs whole staff inc the players could be seen as anything but a good thing and would surely send the message to a lot of a clubs younger fans.

All sensible stuff and currently with lawyers in all areas.

EFL want it; PFA are aware of individual issues with very few players. Minor issue is NHS vaccination, testing all requires a "bit" of effort, it's not delivered directly to you. Bit of a culture shock to the modern player to have to do a bit of something different. They can all register for on line gaming and Instagrame etc but registering for a "jab" is "hardwork"

[yonmon]

Originally Posted by cashman

hope he recovers soon and no long covid,

Twentyeight !.. Allow me to echo Cashy's words.. and my hope is that the rest of your family stay safe and well..

[The Red Darreners]

Originally Posted by NORTHERNSOUL

Is it not correct that even under current standard contacts clubs can almost insist on players having the jab if the head of medical decided that's what he wanted to do and the PFA are only using the ramifications from the Hull City/ Barnsley court case to try and drive a hole in that ? to suit their own agenda.

I fail to see how vaccinating a clubs whole staff inc the players could be seen as anything but a good thing and would surely send the message to a lot of a clubs younger fans.

Absoilutely spot on.