Dwindling Home Support?

[VALAIRIAN]

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

Ain't this just what the Cardboard Millionaire and DonGon want? Fans disagreeing amongst themselves.

Most sensible post of the thread (apart from the first!!) We all of us support Stanley, whereas, not all of the people in charge do????

We all want the best for Stanley, whereas not all of the people in charge do!!

Let's all get on The Clayton End/Crown Ground on Saturday and get behind the Team/Club, whatever, WE will be around long after all the nonesense has gone and Stanley - hopefully - will be around, long after WE have gone!!!!!

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Pendle Red

What a sad state of affairs!

We are all in it together or should be from the Top down to the very bottom or that is how it should be, We are all part of the makeup of this Club and what makes it unique and gives it it's heartbeat.

The one thing that costs nowt and can unite is dialogue is that so hard?

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

Ain't this just what the Cardboard Millionaire and DonGon want? Fans disagreeing amongst themselves.

aint disagreeing, just a difference of viewpoint, i honestly believe that the terrible twosome are intent on destroying the club, fer reasons most are aware, by falling out wi the ultras it will give em a fallback position of it was "Ilyas" or the "Ultras" that caused this to happen, seems farfetched? but what if it aint, then the ultras are unwittingly helping these gits to do so.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Pendle Red

We are all in it together or should be from the Top down to the very bottom or that is how it should be, We are all part of the makeup of this Club and what makes it unique and gives it it's heartbeat.

From the top down?...are you joking? I'm not in anything together with O'Neill and Whalley. I don't even want to be in the same room as them and I certainly don't want them to be "part of the makeup of this club". Wake up and smell the coffee, Google Page Ranking!

[ukcowboy]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

From the top down?...are you joking? I'm not in anything together with O'Neill and Whalley. I don't even want to be in the same room as them and I certainly don't want them to be "part of the makeup of this club". Wake up and smell the coffee, Google Page Ranking!

Couldnt agree more Wyn................I am fed up of people trying to pretend that if we 'stick together' all will be well.......its bollox pure n simple. With those two numpties at the helm, there is only one way this ship will be going, and it aint 'up'.

Google Page Ranking, I know you mean well, but c'mon man get real!

[bdc]

I think there are a number of posts on here that raise some interesting points, in particular that the club will never move forward until EW and DON are gone from the club. This would then probably increase the chances of investment coming from the local economy and perhaps increase the prospects of gaining some good commercial deals. Without this sort of capital the club will never become self-sustaining, so it is a catch 22 situation until the ownership issue is sorted.

I think the capacity issue kind of best sums up everything that is wrong with the current management structure. This issue has been ongoing for over 4 years and only now are we actually trying to sort it at a time when bad weather is upon us and they will struggle to be to get the concrete to set to provide the necessary standing space.

In the short-term I think that things will continue to be run in the way it has been for the past few years. In the long-term we need to get to the point where we are a self-sustaining club that the community has a say in the running of. However this is mainly depending on Ilyas and getting his plan into action. The sooner this happens then the quicker the broken bridges can be mended.

In relation to the flags ban, I struggle to understand how the club has imposed a ban on these. There have never been any issues in the past few seasons and I think the club have shot themselves in the foot with this as it has reduced the atmosphere in the Clayton End and alienated The Ultras who have done so much for the club. Surely it would have been better to sit and down and discuss the issues arising from the risk assessment and then take steps to sort these out rather than imposing a complete ban. The club need to remember that without the fans there is no club.

As for future action, maybe it might an idea to get members from The Ultras, ASSF and OSC together to perhaps discuss what common ground they have in order to perhaps engage in dialogue with the club to sort some of the issues out.

[Pendle Red]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

From the top down?...are you joking? I'm not in anything together with O'Neill and Whalley. I don't even want to be in the same room as them and I certainly don't want them to be "part of the makeup of this club". Wake up and smell the coffee, Google Page Ranking!

People interpet posts how they see them which I think you have misunderstood or read into it what you think?

I know with the Company I work for what I expect, what I am part of and the level of service & commitment I/we as a Company give to our Suppliers & to our customers.

Hope that clears it up for you?

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Pendle Red

People interpet posts how they see them which I think you have misunderstood or read into it what you think?

I know with the Company I work for what I expect, what I am part of and the level of service & commitment I/we as a Company give to our Suppliers & to our customers.

Hope that clears it up for you?

Not really, and I can't be doing with all this going around the houses so you'll have to spell it out for me. Do you or do you not think the club has a future with O'Neill and Whalley still around?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Not really, and I can't be doing with all this going around the houses so you'll have to spell it out for me. Do you or do you not think the club has a future with O'Neill and Whalley still around?

Obviously I don't know a lot about the inside working of the club, but I regularly read post on here regarding Stanley and comments from people like yourself Wyn who ARE in the know. The only thing I can see. looking from the outside, is the the two people who were directly responsible for the demise of the club over the last few years are still hanging around and can only think that its not going to get better until they re both out of the way, just my opinion

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Obviously I don't know a lot about the inside working of the club, but I regularly read post on here regarding Stanley and comments from people like yourself Wyn who ARE in the know. The only thing I can see. looking from the outside, is the the two people who were directly responsible for the demise of the club over the last few years are still hanging around and can only think that its not going to get better until they re both out of the way, just my opinion

Got it in one, mate.

[VALAIRIAN]

Originally Posted by bdc

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In relation to the flags ban, I struggle to understand how the club has imposed a ban on these. There have never been any issues in the past few seasons and I think the club have shot themselves in the foot with this as it has reduced the atmosphere in the Clayton End and alienated The Ultras who have done so much for the club. Surely it would have been better to sit and down and discuss the issues arising from the risk assessment and then take steps to sort these out rather than imposing a complete ban. The club need to remember that without the fans there is no club.
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This ban has been imposed, because we are on our last legs with all things groundwise and cannot afford to have any issues what so ever on a match day!!!!!

[Exile on Spencer St]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Do you or do you not think the club has a future with O'Neill and Whalley still around?

Not in the Football League.

[Exile on Spencer St]

Originally Posted by VALAIRIAN

This ban has been imposed, because we are on our last legs with all things groundwise and cannot afford to have any issues what so ever on a match day!!!!!

And we are on our last legs groundwise because.....?

[John_Timmins]

because we dont have enough toilets, fire exits etc etc

But **** it we will penalise the fans again cause of our incompetence

[DAV007]

Lets be honest about 2 members of staff who have been at the centre of these issues.

Mick shultz
nice guy, does alot behind the scenes, etc.
BUT
way out of his depth as a ground safety manager, has no backbone and gets walked over.

Rob Heys
a fan, 'harmless' guy
BUT
lied and lied again to the fans, backed up Whalley and O'neill, akward to Iylas, no backbone, out of his depth as chief exec.

These two are just as problematic and are both stumbling blocks to the club improving.

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by DAV007

Lets be honest about 2 members of staff who have been at the centre of these issues.

Mick shultz
nice guy, does alot behind the scenes, etc.
BUT
way out of his depth as a ground safety manager, has no backbone and gets walked over.

Rob Heys
a fan, 'harmless' guy
BUT
lied and lied again to the fans, backed up Whalley and O'neill, akward to Iylas, no backbone, out of his depth as chief exec.

These two are just as problematic and are both stumbling blocks to the club improving.

Employees tend to work the way there employers ask them to.

Your post highlights the fact that people are taking the rap for doing a job in a manner they probably don't like for fear of losing that job.

There's lots of waffling on here about what's wrong with the club, or should I say who's wrong with it. Why don't people use their collective energies and do something to make their feelings known instead of just everyone fighting amongst themsleves. Everyone knows there is a future waiting to happen but it seems everyone is quite prepared to let that future take it on single handed. What happened to fan power