Good luck Alty

[Bazf]

ant chants will do it was like a morgue last saturday till we scored no sympathy from me do you think we would get any no wayyyyyyyyy you have to follow the rules

I have just had a look through the new thread replys on the board, why is it your your such a moaning negative Tw*$?

[KiTChener]

Originally Posted by Outback Ozzy

Duly signed - agree with you Tracker - Conference board should resign for this travesty of justice - also how about the club suing player for potential loss of earnings etc etc

Could they do this??
Surely they will have Cherie Blair looking into the 'Human Rights' issues??


But, seriously, I'm with 99% of contributors to this post... IE, not all Alty's fault, surely, someone at Top Level should have spotted the problem before it came to this??

[Henry Morton]

Things playing up again.

[Henry Morton]

A very informative letter in today's NLP from John Sheppard , Secretary of Oxford City.

He points out that ". . . when a player registers with a club, at least at Level 4 of the Pyramid, the registration form asks the questions :-Item 6 (i) on the form, has the player ever played outside England ? (ii) If yes, has the player obtained clearance from the Football Association ?

Clearly the responsibility is with clubs to ensure that this has been established, should he have played outside England.

If needs be, a request to the FA, who would contact the respective FA in the country in which he had played. This also applies to Wales, Scotland and Ireland."

Clearly [Henry Morton continues], though , the definition of "Registering with a club" is to do with the First Team Proper of that club , otherwise no Reserves Leagues in the Pyramid could even function .

Reserves Leagues have long functioned as an opportunity for new young players to gain an idea of what football is about at a level beyond their school or pub-league experience . They have been , and should remain , an arena for experimentation , trials , fitness-testing and evaluation of every kind.
They emphatically are not a "Subs Side" , nor should they be considered as such.

ASFC is , therefore , totally innocent in the James Robinson affair.

Nevertheless, our thoughts and hopes must be with everyone at Altrincham . Let's hope that common sense (if it still exists) will prevail in this very unfortunate business .

[KIPAX]

Well todays the day of the appeal.... First off I want to say that I have lost a lot of sympathy for Alty over this... All they seem intent on doing is blaming Accy for getting the player from us..or FGR for grassing them or somehting or the tooth fairy for not standing up for them .. or anyone they can think of.. it would seem anyone and everyone is to blame accept them and all this finger pointing and not having the balls to stand up and be counted has made me have little or no sympathy for them.

HOWEVER and please dont quote the above on its owm

I do stand by what I said when I heard the news and at the start of the thread... I think football should decide who goes up or down not red tape.... if a bloke has made an error then fine him 20 quid and give him a rollocking for making the mistake... dont punish the whole club, all there fans , players and the whole town... I hope common sense prevails... if you want to deduct points then deduct some but not enough to relegate them.... whatever punishment is handed out it shouldnt relegate or be such a big fine that it criples them.....

They didn't finish in the relegation zone so they shouldn't be relegated... Simple as.....

[DanTheMonkey]

I hope that the appeal sticks, nothing against Alty, its just that the FA need to have the balls to stick to the letter of the law, and not back down, because if they do, everytime this happens, the league will once again decend into choas
*waits for his list of bad karma*

[Urban Spaceman]

Originally Posted by DanTheMonkey

I hope that the appeal sticks, nothing against Alty, its just that the FA need to have the balls to stick to the letter of the law, and not back down, because if they do, everytime this happens, the league will once again decend into choas
*waits for his list of bad karma*

Don't worry about the bad karma Dan !

I got it for expressing a positive opinion about Hereford (was called "a freak") and even for spelling Dany's name incorrectly (as Danny) when the two ladies in question did their sponsored cycle ride from Accrington to Kidderminster !

All of it makes me laugh at my age - it is like water off a duck's back !!!

[sparkie]

I'm with kipax on this one.

I hope the FA do the right thing and reduce alty's points reduction so that they stay in the conference. However I disagree with alty that every man and his flat cap, wippet and anything else he can lay his hands on are apparently to blame in this, but it has nothing at all to do with alty!!! The form states 'has the player played abroad?' not was it his last club but has he ever played abroad. Simple enough. The fact that he had a trial with us is a mute point as he never signed a contract or registration form.

I do not wish what alty are going through on anyone, and I think the original points deduction was a joke, I understand how that total of points comes about, but its a ridiculously high amount for a relatively minor offence. Alty have done really well this season to finish where they did, and they deserve to stay up on that basis, not be relegated on a technicality.

[AccyStanFan]

Originally Posted by sparkie

I hope the FA do the right thing and reduce alty's points reduction so that they stay in the conference.

To me thats not a punishment at all, give em a 12 point deduction from the start of next seasons points, that at least would make it intresting.

[Urban Spaceman]

Originally Posted by sparkie

I'm with kipax on this one.

I hope the FA do the right thing and reduce alty's points reduction so that they stay in the conference. However I disagree with alty that every man and his flat cap, wippet and anything else he can lay his hands on are apparently to blame in this, but it has nothing at all to do with alty!!! The form states 'has the player played abroad?' not was it his last club but has he ever played abroad. Simple enough. The fact that he had a trial with us is a mute point as he never signed a contract or registration form.

I do not wish what alty are going through on anyone, and I think the original points deduction was a joke, I understand how that total of points comes about, but its a ridiculously high amount for a relatively minor offence. Alty have done really well this season to finish where they did, and they deserve to stay up on that basis, not be relegated on a technicality.

I agree with you on and Kipax on this Sparkie - that original penalty was a joke and out of all proportion to the gravity of the offence IMHO.

Altrincham are not one of my favourite clubs, but they did not deserve to be treated so harshly. I know Dan says that rules are rules, but on this one, I think it is a case, not of the rule being wrong, but the penalty applied to it being wrong.

None of us should give Dan a hard time about this (and you did not Sparkie) - opinion is one of the things that makes the world go round

[JEFF]

If Stanley had finished 15 points behid Alty and were being relegated would we still be saying that the punishment was too harsh ? I don't think so. We would have been saying that Alty had won 18 points by playing an illegible player and so should have the points deducted. Alty won those points illegally and so are not entitled to keep them.

Alty have done really well this season to finish where they did, and they deserve to stay up on that basis, not be relegated on a technicality.

Alty have only done really well this season to finish where they did because they played an illegible player - they finished where they were by breaking the rules. They do not deserve to stay up on that basis because they did it illegally. They gained the points illegally so they deserve to lose them, if that relegates them then that is unfortunate. If the points deduction did not put them in a relegation position I don't think that anybody would be complaining.

[Urban Spaceman]

Originally Posted by JEFF

If Stanley had finished 15 points behid Alty and were being relegated would we still be saying that the punishment was too harsh ? I don't think so. We would have been saying that Alty had won 18 points by playing an illegible player and so should have the points deducted. Alty won those points illegally and so are not entitled to keep them.

Alty have only done really well this season to finish where they did because they played an illegible player - they finished where they were by breaking the rules. They do not deserve to stay up on that basis because they did it illegally. They gained the points illegally so they deserve to lose them, if that relegates them then that is unfortunate. If the points deduction did not put them in a relegation position I don't think that anybody would be complaining.

I would hope that Stanley would NEVER finish 15 points behind Alty !!!!

[DanTheMonkey]

We will never see Alty again, so i wouldnt worry too much pal

[Ber999T]

Having read all the threads I have just to comment on the fact that the person who should be blamed for this problems is the player for not stating that he been playing outside of the UK.

Yes they deserve to be punished for break the rules but not to the point where by they have to drop a division but maybe as stated to have a minus point start next season

[Tin Monkey]

Apparently the decision has been upheld by the FA and Alty are to be deducted the full 18 points.