Harder to be relegated than to stay up?

entwisi · 07-08-2008, 08:55

BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Rotherham | Rotherham set to lose 17 points

Basically, Rotherham and Bournemouth to get 17 point penalties for financial issues

So with Luton on -30 and 2 other clubs on -17 it surely must be harder to get relegated than to stop up in League 2 this year.

Chimer · 07-08-2008, 10:42

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Originally Posted by entwisi

It surely must be harder to get relegated than to stop up in League 2 this year.

This is Stanley, we can do anything

SamF · 07-08-2008, 10:52

We're always up for a challenge

JEFF · 07-08-2008, 12:46

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Originally Posted by entwisi

BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Rotherham | Rotherham set to lose 17 points

Basically, Rotherham and Bournemouth to get 17 point penalties for financial issues

So with Luton on -30 and 2 other clubs on -17 it surely must be harder to get relegated than to stop up in League 2 this year.

Last season Rotherham had ten points deducted and still finished 9th on 64 points (eight places and thirteen points above Stanley)

cashman · 07-08-2008, 14:26

also leeds had -30 last season n finished in play offs.

yonmon · 07-08-2008, 14:35

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also leeds had -30 last season n finished in play offs.

So then this is no time for us all to go on a 'chicken-counting' Safari Cashy is it ?...I've got my Rose-tinted ones on again, but the vista which is Season 2008/9 still fills me with trepidation!!...

'It's by watching that we observe things'..... Alfred.E.Neumann.

Oldgobbin · 07-08-2008, 15:05

No, Cashy. Leeds started on -15. Still proves that deductions can be overcome though.

Chimer · 07-08-2008, 17:13

Last season, 8 teams (top 7 plus Rotherham) would have survived a 30 point deduction (20 more in Rotherham's case) and 14 would have got away with losing 17 points. But in 05/06, the numbers would have been 3 and 7 respectively, as there was much less of a points spread in the final table - the relegated teams getting 45 and 49 points that year, compared with 40 and 42 last year.

So it looks like Luton, at least, will have to be close to promotion standard to have much of a chance to survive. And that will obviously depend on what sort of money the new owners make available.

Bagpuss · 07-08-2008, 17:40

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the relegated teams getting 45 and 49 points that year,

Does that mean we need only 33 pts to be in with a chance of not being relegated?

Outback Ozzy · 07-08-2008, 18:31

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Does that mean we need only 33 pts to be in with a chance of not being relegated?

No it means we must cater for an extra 800 seats to stay in the division regardles of how many points we have

cashman · 07-08-2008, 21:07

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No, Cashy. Leeds started on -15. Still proves that deductions can be overcome though.

ya know i said that,but the guy i was talking too insisted it was -30, the moral here is never listen to a DINGLE.

mab · 07-08-2008, 21:18

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Originally Posted by cashman

ya know i said that,but the guy i was talking too insisted it was -30, the moral here is never listen to a DINGLE.

Think leeds got deducted 15 pt the season before when they got relegated

with 15 pts deducted for the start of last season

Haz66 · 07-08-2008, 21:56

In reality, we should not go down, like already mentioned 33 pts would keep us up, as 50 was the target last season when all teams started equal, so if 2 teams are starting -17 then i really can`t see us being in a relegation battle, if for some reason we are then the season will be really bad, but i think that things are looking better this season than last so i`m looking forward to a better season, keep the faith.

Chimer · 08-08-2008, 16:19

It's fair to say Luton's survival target is 80 points won, and Bournemouth's and Rotherham's is 67, but you can't turn that around and say 33 will be enough to keep us up - that's only true if two of the penalised teams are amongst the worst teams. If they all get, say, 60 points which is about average, the trapdoor will be at 43....

maccawozzagod · 08-08-2008, 17:16

I think that a few other teams will struggle to put points on the board without the 'pressure' of another couple of teams around them.

It will be six weeks before Rotherham or Bournemouth can start to put any actual points on the board. And it is not inconceivable that a team or two can go six weeks without registering a win. I personally would forget all about Lton, if they get anywhere near 80 points then they fully deserve to stay up, but Rotherham and Bournemouth are a different story altogether. Both of those teams should expect to finish in the sixties so both pose us a problem.