Has Coleman lost the dressing room?

[rishton]

With EW going on about gates, surley the locals will only come to watch a team which is doing well, not one that is stuggling. Also i spoke to a few away fans last year that they come because it was a new ground and the history, but they have been once and won't come again

[BTLawson]

Originally Posted by alan7554

why is this a disgusting topic,this is an asfc forum,and every one has the right voice there opinions,lets look at the facts
1.asfc have lost the last 4 games
2.asfc have not scored in the last 4 games
3.john colemans questionable team selections
4.john colemans questionable team substitutions
5.lack of team moral
6. arguements in the dug out with jimmy bell
7.persisting with mc,evily
the people of accrington will not come and watch the dross that asfc are playing at the moment,perhaps it is time for EW to wield the axe,remember stan allen,he was sacked after 3 games at the start off 1 uni- bond season and he won the 1st two and drew the 3rd,the buck stops with the manager,john coleman is the football league and prem,s 3rd longest serving manager with now 8 years.perhaps this is were the problem lies,has he taken asfc as far as he can,and please dont anyone go on about he is the best manager asfc had,thats all in the past,yes he has taken asfc from non-league to the football league but lets face it we were lucky to stay up last season,and its the present that matters and the only place asfc are going is back to the conference and lets be honest,thats where most of the 1st team deserve to be,
i am not saying that a new manager can change things overnight but at the moment unless drastic steps are taken then asfc are going nowhere fast,i have admired john coleman but perhaps he is out of his depth,and his stubborness and lack of communication skills will be his downfall,asfc have sacked managers before and moved on,perhaps its time for john coleman and jimmy bell to move on.

I agree with some of your views but I don't think it is time for John or Jimmy to leave just yet. They kept us up last year and I believe that they will do the same this year. Yes we did have some luck but you make your own luck in this game and there was some great perfomances towards the end of last season.

Having said that I would like to know what exactly Coleman does with the players during the week. We make the same errors week in week out and delay making the passes which will open the opposition up. Its the same every week.

Its early days and as previously mentioned we have had some very difficult fixtures to begin the season. You can't say we are going to go back to the conference yet as we haven't played 'lesser' teams. Only then will we have an idea where we are going to finish and thats all that matters-where we finish in May as the table means nothing yet.

He hasn't lost the dressing room but the club is going through a bad patch:therefore we must get behind the management and players. We have come a long way in a short time and I think some people are
expecting too much too soon.

[OLDHAMADE]

I can't understand why after a handful of games your getting stuck into a manager that kept you in the league last season after losing two of the best players you've ever had at Stanley (Roberts & Craney) when on paper you were probably one of the favourites to go straight back down,
McIlroy will have worked the same wonders should he be able to keep Morecambe in the league for another season but judging by recent results it looks a distinct possibility,
A manager has to work within the budget his chairman will allow and it seems that Johns is not as substantial as it was previously, your home crowds will further complicate things on the financial front but from what i've seen on my travels there, you're a great little club with superb fans and it's high time you backed the manager and cheered on the players that you've idolised for many seasons previous,
Sometimes it's better to be the Big fish in the small pond but when roles are reversed you just have to roll your sleeves up and get stuck in and most importantly 'AS ONE'!

[Thin Monkey]

First of all forget any notions of Coley having lost the dressing room and put to one side any idea of a crisis. Loads of us were expecting to be in this kind of situation after the first four league games.

We have just played 4 sides who will be there or there abouts come May. as yet we haven't played any one from our section of the division. In the next six or seven weeeks we play Grimsby, Mansfield, Wrexham and Macclesfield at home, and Bury, Dagenham and Barnet away. By that stage we'll have played 13 league games (just over a quarter of a season). I predict things will looka a lot rosier by then.

It is always darkest just before the day dawneth. (Thomas Fuller 1608-1661)

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We are only 1 point behind the 12th team in the league, having played four of the fancied clubs in the league, get behind the team and the management. It should be an interesting forum on Tuesday.

[Darwenred1968]

Originally Posted by ukcowboy

Ive thought long and hard before posting this, however after yesterdays display against the Posh, I feel it begs the question.

To my mind there seems to be a lot of unrest among the players, lackluster performances,heads go down way too easily,silly bookings and a complete breakdown of communication at vital times in the match.

JC continually haranguing the officials, heated arguments in the dugout with JB ( they are usually pretty 'pally' ), His apparent total lack of tactical awareness/play, other employees of the club being petulant by throwing footballs on the pitch, and players who are substituted throwing their bibs at the dugout. Add to that McEvily's disgusting stamping incident and red card.........(Im not going to include Branchy's 2nd yellow as from where I was standing the opposition player dived,sorry 'simulated' and the assistant ref got it wrong)............and perhaps you can see where I'm coming from.

I genuinely hope that I'm 'barking up the wrong tree', but thoughts anyone?

He's starting to lose the fans so why not the dressing room?

[Urban Spaceman]

I have been following the discussions with interest and unfortunately, have not been able to see the team play so far this season - but whilst I can share some of the fans concerns about the poor start to the season (and the inevitable fear of being dragged into a season long struggle against relegation), I don't think too many panic buttons should be pressed just yet.

The 1-0 win against Wycombe was a very welcome start (and remember, we only drew there last season) and a home defeat to Darlington (as last season) and away at Lincoln (also as last season) should not have come as too much of a surprise to anyone. Darlington are riding high, and Lincoln have been in the play-offs for the last five seasons. Yesterday's defeat at home to Peterborough should also not have been too surprising given the nature of the budget which the opposition has (compared to Stanley's comparitively meagre resources) and Posh are still the bookies favourites to take the title, despite their none too impressive start to the season. I accept that we are bottom of the table with only one goal scored and have failed to score in our last four matches, so there are clearly problems, but as has been pointed out on another thread, one win or even a few points will see us climb steadily up the table.

For me, the time to worry is not after 4 league matches, though I accept totally the need to discuss the reasons why Stanley are in this situation, and I cannot pretend to be any type of grandstand manager, as I know little about football. What I do know is that positions at this stage of the season don't mean a great deal - remember Macclesfield last season, or the way Sunderland started in the Championship, which we all know they ended up winning ? I'm not suggesting for one moment that Stanley will take the title - I don't think for one moment we will - but I do believe, based on past experience, that Coley will get us out of this situation and to a position of safety,

However, what does concern me most is when we hand an advantage to our opponents through poor discipline on the field, with the inevitable sendings off and suspensions, causing problems with the team having to be reshuffled, and being unable to play a balanced side. Last season, I think we topped League Two in terms of red cards issued to us, and with 2 sent off on Saturday,it doesn't augur well for this season. In our Conference winning season, we had players sent off in 4 matches in a row, I seem to remember - when oh when is this going to change ? To me, it is a classic case of us shooting ourselves in the foot time after time, with our fingers firmly on the self-destruct button.

Personally, I think Coley did very well to keep us up last season, following the departure of Roberts and Craney, and then the incredible run with injuries, and I see no reason why that should not happen again this time around. Stanley do not have a bad side and were last season's joint second highest scorers in the division (albeit with the worst defence ! )
The failure to score has baffled me, and several friends from Walsall told me that they could not understand why Stanley were so far down the table last season, based on the matches they had seen them play.

Whilst there will always be pessimists within the ranks, I think we should get behind Coley and the team and give them our fullest support. I can't get to home matches (I live 250 miles away) but anytime Stanley are down south, I'll be there to roar them on (had to miss the Wycombe game because we were on holiday, but will be at Dagenham).

ON STANLEY ON !!!!

[Marty71]

Bloody Hell guys 4 games in and already gloom and doom, whats goin on..?? My 1st trip to FES this season from sunny Suffolk and have noticed some major transformations on and off the field, so let's put things into perspective.. 3 points from first 4 games. 3 points from Wycombe, a good result 'ey? Nowt against Darlo, Lincoln and the Posh who are 3 quality sides with superior budgets and facilities than Stanley.... who realistically thought we would get much change from these guys??. In my opinion the season starts here and picking up points from the likes of Grimsby, Bury, Mansfield, Dagenham which are coming up soon is a must and this will then provide a true guide to the strength of the squad and also whether relegation or finishing mid-table is going to be the case.

Ok yesterday's match..Man of the match Kenny Arthur no arguments, moan of the match McEvilly, what is the guy on?? As soon as he came on he was up for a scrap, if Coley told him to do this prior to coming on he wants stringing up by his nuts..If not Evil wants to get his head right there is a clear difference between being physical and assault, unprofessional and un-disciplined in my opinion which let his team mates and you guys down, fine him and drop him at least!!

For the Pen no complaints, and Branchy got a deserved yellow card and i'm suprised he lasted as long as he did (but the ref was not good all game and was looking to get his name in lights from the off) 1st goal A) What was Roberts doing giving away a cheap foul away when their midfielder was going nowhere, and the defending from the subsequent free kick was unbelievable!! B) Shaun Whalley had a shocker and couldn't trap a bag of soot all day. C)Proc worked hard in midfield and at times seemed to be the only one closing down.

Positives then for me: Kenny Arthur, a roof, good atmosphere, Ultras in fine voice, hard but good times ahead if everyone sticks together..

Thats me done see you at Dagenham if anyone going!!!

Tractorboy Red

[Haz66]

Originally Posted by BTLawson

Having said that I would like to know what exactly Coleman does with the players during the week. We make the same errors week in week out and delay making the passes which will open the opposition up. Its the same every week.

This is exactly what i was thinking, yes i know we`ve just played a few good teams on the bounce, but our defence just keeps on making school boy errors and our midfield dont seem to have any imagination, just hoof and hope seems to be the tactic, i would make them sit down tomorrow and make them watch saturdays game over and over again until they understand what they shouldn`t be doing as somewhere along the line this doesn`t seem to be getting through, i`m not of the doom and gloom brigade even having watched yesterdays game but i do feel that something in training needs to be sorted out.

[Tin Monkey]

I was watching a DVD of last season's matches/goals today and after about 10 or so games I started to notice just how often Todd was in the area when we scored. Even when he didn't touch the ball himself, and he often did, he was still there in support.

We miss Todd more than I ever thought we would do. He was the extra player in the box everytime we went forward and chipped in with 10 goals too.

[Tin Monkey]

Originally Posted by Marty71

Bloody Hell guys 4 games in and already gloom and doom, whats goin on..??

Maybe it's something to do with the doom and gloom being projected by the Chairman of the club? All that talk has certainly got me on a downer.

[Wynonie Harris]

OK, I know you all genuinely care for the club (and the fact that we can attract supporters from Berkshire and Suffolk, not to mention Michigan and New Zealand shows how much of an appeal this famous name still holds). However, you are all neatly avoiding the crucial point - we cannot sustain league football on our present gates. Even the most optimistic of you is not predicting a promotion challenge, so the gates are not going to be anywhere near Eric's breakeven point of 2,500. Next season we have to build a 1,000-seater stand and a permanent police control room, so where are the cuts going to come? To quote Eric, they "could well come out of the players' budget." This is a huge problem the club is facing, but you all seem to be in denial of it.

[Tin Monkey]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

However, you are all neatly avoiding the crucial point - we cannot sustain league football on our present gates. Even the most optimistic of you is not predicting a promotion challenge, so the gates are not going to be anywhere near Eric's breakeven point of 2,500. Next season we have to build a 1,000-seater stand and a permanent police control room, so where are the cuts going to come? To quote Eric, they "could well come out of the players' budget." This is a huge problem the club is facing, but you all seem to be in denial of it.

Spot on! I was about to type something similar, but you've put it so much better.

I kept asking, "Why are people obsessing about the on-field antics? It's the off-field that are more worrying."

[K.S.H]

If we get it right on the field and start winning games we "have a chance" of bringing more people in, that will generate more income and will help with the building of the club etc, if we don't do well on the field (like we are at the min, that was utter rubbish on Saturday) we will never get new faces in the crowd, income will go down if anything, that's when I'll start to worry the off field antics .

[DAV007]

i dont think we can judge any progression from last season - until we have played Grimsby on saturday.

Grimsby will be a far clearer measuring stick.

I do think tyhe chairman should talk up the club - or put it for sale.
Negative comments from the person running the club ALWAYS have a knock on effect.

If Eric starts preaching Success, promotion and ambition - we will start believing as will the players.

Coleman should use the tight budget controls and poor crowds as a motivation - eg a challenge. To prove how good he is with next to nothing.
The players should also use it as a springboard to bigger things.