Ilyas speaks .....

[maccawozzagod]

Originally Posted by Doug

but I’d make a donation towards a fighting fund, combined with Mr Khans shares it could give the fans a voice….and the shares could be held by the OSC in Trust.

Originally Posted by Willie Miller

I mentioned it higher up Doug.... its a Supporters Trust.... Something for the OSC to get involved with if they are interested. Its a lot of work, meetings, chairmen women .....
Think you get a seat on the board etc etc.

Originally Posted by expatriate

Willie Miller - I am intrigued by the supporters trust...... I am sure that the OSC must be the right avenue if the trust is not possible or easy to set up.

........ a fighting fund is a very very good idea. I have been asked in the past, but I did not presume to speak for more than myself. If someone in Accrington can get a fund going I will contribute to it.

the biggest point of a Supporters Trust is that has a better legal standing than an ISA (Independant Supporters Association) or OSC. It has better facility for owning shares and the suchlike and provides better legal standing for its members (max suing for a £1 etc) providing they work within the rules. Beyond that it would function no differently to the existing OSC - and I personally see no reason to change.

There isn't enough funds in the bank to purchase a significant amount of shares (if they were available) and there aren't enough people out there who are willing to help the cause.

Part of the Supporters Trust mandate is to attract and pool the professional talent available to them via the terraces - having joiners, plumbers etc to help around the ground, graphics designers and techies for help with the website, people in sales who can help with attracting this and that. All these things have been asked for via this site and the OSC site and have met with a wall of silence, the offers just aren't there.

Let's say Mr Khan presented the OSC with his £200k offer next month and said 'do with it what you want' How many people would turn up for the following meeting with offers on how to spend it?

Until people are willing to back the OSC and pull their weight then I see no reason to put up a big effort of changing it to an ST. For my part I see that the legal ramifications and responsibilties of running a Supporters Trust would be far more than that of the OSC -and that was tying enough!

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[Doug]

I understand what your saying Rob and of course you are right. It’s frustrating enough not getting to the games let alone anything else, all I can do is offer a few quid now and again and my gratitude for what the OSC does on our (the members) behalf. But if the OSC could raise funds to purchase shares I’ll contribute on the basis that they remain the property of the supporters.

[Tin Monkey]

What's the obsession with owning shares? The OSC could never own enough to influence anything and being a relatively minor shareholder doesn't entitle you to any say in anything anyway.

[maccawozzagod]

with a ST you can nominate your shares to the Trust by proxy. You can retain ownership but the ST gains the power of many.

Eric owns 56%
Ilyas owns 15%

who owns the rest?

but even then, Eric as majority shareholder had the power to veto shareholders, whether he did or not I dont know or care, but he could.

Hopefully any new owner would appreciate the efforts that the other 44% could offer.

[Nickelson]

Rob Heys

[Doug]

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey

What's the obsession with owning shares? The OSC could never own enough to influence anything and being a relatively minor shareholder doesn't entitle you to any say in anything anyway.

Nevertheless TM, as an individual I’d love to own shares in my club just for the shake of it, and you never know, in 44 years time we might even be in the prawn butty and champers league, then they’d be worth a bob or two….

[Stanleymad]

Its wonderful that the OSC is being highly considered & least recognised for its part we play for the club but just as importantly regardless of the share issue, we need the actual support of the members too in a pro-active way of coming together & coming up with various ways we can help & promote the club with fundraising as we've always done, via memberships via attending meetings & volunteering to help with events & promotions possible - the more voices the more possible so we as a collective fan base get heard & get things in motion. As it stands so far we can only do & raise things with what we have & numbers we have month in month out, at the end of the day its not just about a badge & a card, as many of u saw osc in action - at the exhibition @ the library - at the asda - at the turnstilles for nominations for player[s] of the season. Things get done to the best of our ability & would happily discuss the issue.

Money is 1 thing people power is much another but both equally powerful

[Willie Miller]

Originally Posted by Stanleymad

Its wonderful that the OSC is being highly considered & least recognised for its part we play for the club but just as importantly regardless of the share issue, we need the actual support of the members too in a pro-active way of coming together & coming up with various ways we can help & promote the club with fundraising as we've always done, via memberships via attending meetings & volunteering to help with events & promotions possible - the more voices the more possible so we as a collective fan base get heard & get things in motion. As it stands so far we can only do & raise things with what we have & numbers we have month in month out, at the end of the day its not just about a badge & a card, as many of u saw osc in action - at the exhibition @ the library - at the asda - at the turnstilles for nominations for player[s] of the season. Things get done to the best of our ability & would happily discuss the issue.

Money is 1 thing people power is much another but both equally powerful

Thats a big subject on its own though, less relevant to the Illyas thing IMHO

The OSC could be a 20 page debate Mel .... easy

[Stanleymad]

Originally Posted by Willie Miller

Thats a big subject on its own though, less relevant to the Illyas thing IMHO

The OSC could be a 20 page debate Mel .... easy

Relevant Jase?? Well seems that u brought it up hehee, good enough to do the bidding but not good enough for support in its own right. As for relevance to Mr Khan - very relevant for his information, for the fans information & what the osc is really about, plus familiarity to the current osc as when he last took opportunity to meet & help the osc was some number of years ago, as has been stated by KP that he was very much key back then & may wish to now, taking opportunity to engage with fans & lets see what Mr khan, Mr O'Neil or any new investor for the club sees as relevant or not.

Tho quite rightly its not a debate about the OSC, but the osc was brought up & mearely putting an osc point across

[Willie Miller]

Its not relevant because no matter how much money Illyas has the OSC needs support Illyas cannot help this. He can bring horses, buckets, water......

However, he cannae make em drink!

[Stanleymad]

Originally Posted by Willie Miller

Its not relevant because no matter how much money Illyas has the OSC needs support Illyas cannot help this. He can bring horses, buckets, water......

However, he cannae make em drink!

I know, but what makes u think that the osc can buy shares then?

[expatriate]

The conversation about the OSC is very interesting.

A few points that I hope are constructive.

Firstly, I could not agree more that a supporters club is ultimately more important and has more longevity than anything else (apart from the club itself, of course).

Secondly - and here I really have to say that my agreement is just stating the obvious - any SUpporters Club needs to be very actively managed and organised, and that requires people, support and commitment. Could someone send me the articles or manifesto of the existing OSC ?

Thirdly, from my point of view, a supporters club that could make a significant investment in Accy Stanley, is very appealing. To that end, I am very willing to back the OSC with cash if it could get the green light from the club. This is a very serious topic, and probably needs to be followed up by a meeting (not just chit chat), so anyone who can help organise a meeting (you have my email address), would be doing us all a favour. I will wait for a suggestion of times that might work for us.

Fourthly, I think that it would be a bad thing if the supporter's club were simply seen or viewed as "ilyas' organisation". I therefore wish to confirm that I would be hoping to donate cash to the supporter's club, which in turn could be a major investor in the club, but I would play no role in the OSC.

Finally, this (the conversation about the OSC) has nothing to do with my ongoing debate with the club. I have no idea what the club has decided to do about my approach for a meeting, although it does appear that Mr O Neil and Mr Whalley continue to want to complete a transaction. As I have said before, that is upto them, but if the club's status and standing is affected, then all shareholder's will have a say.

[Stanleymad]

Thanks very much Illyas for your input regarding the osc & echoing the sentiments, our website address is Accrington Stanley - Official Supporters Club for further information about the current osc. Im sure our chairperson will be in touch direct to arrange & discuss further interest & possibilites in due course. Our aims as the osc will maintain its objectives as always & value any input offered

[harwood red]

Thanks again for your input Ilyas ... I did post previously (post 110) that I would be happy to meet up and discuss options of where the OSC can help if at all.... but as you rightly point out, the osc is only as good as it's active members and the time they can contribute to the cause.

We have our AGM on the Monday 11th May but would be happy to meet up before then.

Lesley, Chair OSC

[VALAIRIAN]

Originally Posted by MCR ADIM

Ilyas Khan's red and white army!! Ilyas Khan's red and white army! You speak alot of sense! And am sure some people will have questions for you! Am just glad that after what Eric has said you still want to put your hard earned money into the club!!!!

Great reply MCR....