John Coleman at The Globe - interview - Page 2

football19 · 06-10-2013, 17:24

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Originally Posted by cashman

Yeh he applied fer the stanley job FACT. ask yerself why somebody yeh say is so wonderful,did NOT get it? Could it be the fact that all the good he did, which was much could not be overlooked, in other words yeh can't paper a turd.

Tried to stay out of this debate,but can't agree with you Cashy. JC is one of the best results/playing budget managers around,as you say "simple".
He tried his luck at league one level,but it didn't work out,for the same reasons as JB is finding (changing things too quickly).
He has a great knowledge of the game,but he rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way,which fuelled Stanley's success(no one liked playing at the crown ground)
By your comments regarding his interview,you are not fully aware of the facts (which are not for a forum debate).
Saying that,I am fully behind JB,but totally against JCs critisisum,he for me represented everything what Stanley are about,ie; us v everyone else.
PS - was with the scouting fraternity at Wigan today,and we would give both teams a game !!!

cashman · 06-10-2013, 17:24

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey

Because the Board made a mistake and appointed the wrong man?

A JC team wouldn't have such a low goal effort ratio as the current team, that's pretty much a certainty. It's impressive to talk about the newly instilled 'professionalism', but for a tinpot outfit like Stanley, professionalism and fair play are the last thing required for survival. We really need someone who knows all the 'tricks'. Someone who can duck and dive. Someone who you'd hate if you were an opposition fan, but secretly envy and wish they were working for your club. There's only one man for this job, and Davo is quite right.

I don't feel any disrespect for the current manager. He seems a decent and honest human being, who's not ready for a unique situation like that at Accrington. Nobody can blame him for that. The real mistake, in my opinion, was made at the end of last season by people who are not blameless.

I have to strongly disagree,we get little enough gates now n i'm aware of quite a few who would not re-new if he returned.

cashman · 06-10-2013, 17:27

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Originally Posted by football19

Tried to stay out of this debate,but can't agree with you Cashy. JC is one of the best results/playing budget managers around,as you say "simple".
He tried his luck at league one level,but it didn't work out,for the same reasons as JB is finding (changing things too quickly).
He has a great knowledge of the game,but he rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way,which fuelled Stanley's success(no one liked playing at the crown ground)
By your comments regarding his interview,you are not fully aware of the facts (which are not for a forum debate).
Saying that,I am fully behind JB,but totally against JCs critisisum,he for me represented everything what Stanley are about,ie; us v everyone else.
PS - was with the scouting fraternity at Wigan today,and we would give both teams a game !!!

Would Roscoe De sane be against this criticism?

Redraine · 06-10-2013, 17:48

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Originally Posted by Morecambe_Red

I can assure you its not a smug grin and I want Accrington to finish above the dotted line. I'd much prefer one or preferably two of the "big" clubs to go down rather than a club I see as similar to the Shrimps.

I honestly wasn't suggesting you were being smug about our current position. Just the fact that your team is finding a way of playing on which Podge is seemingly thriving.

football19 · 06-10-2013, 17:58

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Originally Posted by cashman

Would Roscoe De sane be against this criticism?

Way over my head that Cashy,need Yonmons help to answer that !!

shakermaker · 06-10-2013, 17:59

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey

Because the Board made a mistake and appointed the wrong man?

A JC team wouldn't have such a low goal effort ratio as the current team, that's pretty much a certainty. It's impressive to talk about the newly instilled 'professionalism', but for a tinpot outfit like Stanley, professionalism and fair play are the last thing required for survival. We really need someone who knows all the 'tricks'. Someone who can duck and dive. Someone who you'd hate if you were an opposition fan, but secretly envy and wish they were working for your club. There's only one man for this job, and Davo is quite right.

I don't feel any disrespect for the current manager. He seems a decent and honest human being, who's not ready for a unique situation like that at Accrington. Nobody can blame him for that. The real mistake, in my opinion, was made at the end of last season by people who are not blameless.

I was berated for suggesting this when JB was appointed. I've still got the tin hat somewhere, I'll give you a lend.

Back when JC was appointed we had people at the club who knew non-league football inside out. Notwithstanding hearts being in the right place, I'm not convinced anyone on our current board knows football at all.

football19 · 06-10-2013, 18:06

You weren't eavesdropping mine and Exiles conversation at Newport were you Shaker ???

johnc · 06-10-2013, 18:07

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Originally Posted by cashman

I have to strongly disagree,we get little enough gates now n i'm aware of quite a few who would not re-new if he returned.

The gates wont change until we start getting better results, the trend is down, but its not exactly falling off a cliff

2006/7 - 2260
2007/8 - 1633
2008/9 - 1415
2009/10 - 1980
2010/11 - 1867
2011/12 - 1784
2012/13 - 1674
2013/14 - 1777

If JC is the man to turn us around then so be it, you support the club whoever is the manager

cashman · 06-10-2013, 18:22

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Originally Posted by johnc

If JC is the man to turn us around then so be it, you support the club whoever is the manager

You might, i certainly did not when those charged wi betting were still selected,

i went up thorneyholme rd n watched the cricket, That was the point J.C. went down in my estimation, so then i took the trouble to do a bit of digging.

Alvin the chipmunk · 06-10-2013, 19:09

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Originally Posted by shakermaker

I was berated for suggesting this when JB was appointed. I've still got the tin hat somewhere, I'll give you a lend.

Back when JC was appointed we had people at the club who knew non-league football inside out. Notwithstanding hearts being in the right place, I'm not convinced anyone on our current board knows football at all.

Superb post spot on.

Quite simply....JC knew how to win games. Simple.

cashman · 06-10-2013, 19:11

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Originally Posted by Alvin the chipmunk

Superb post spot on.

Quite simply....JC knew how to win games. Simple.

Yeh he did, so all else is forgiven/forgotten? am sure glad i aint young any more, morals have gone out the window.

DAV007 · 06-10-2013, 20:08

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Originally Posted by cashman

I have to strongly disagree,we get little enough gates now n i'm aware of quite a few who would not re-new if he returned.

Rubbish.
I know of lots of people who would return if Coley was put back in charge.
And do you really expect the crowds to come flooding back when we have 2 shots per game and are sitting adrift bottom of the league?

Your comments on this board are representative of a bloke who picks holes in everything but never offers any solutions.
Or have I got that wrong as well?

SamF · 06-10-2013, 21:07

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Originally Posted by cashman

Yeh he did, so all else is forgiven/forgotten? am sure glad i aint young any more, morals have gone out the window.

Sorry Cashman but your getting worse that DAV. This 'I know something you don't know' crap is getting old quick - either put up(prefixed with the word allegedly) or shut up .

DAV007 · 06-10-2013, 21:09

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Originally Posted by SamF

Sorry Cashman but your getting worse that DAV. This 'I know something you don't know' crap is getting old quick - either put up(prefixed with the word allegedly) or shut up .

he wont, because is it doesn't suit his agenda.

cashman · 06-10-2013, 22:36

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Originally Posted by SamF

Sorry Cashman but your getting worse that DAV. This 'I know something you don't know' crap is getting old quick - either put up(prefixed with the word allegedly) or shut up .

Young and stupid, take the trouble to find things out fer yourself, Thats summat many learn as they mature.