MAtch thread vs Burton - Page 4

redder · 24-03-2010, 10:17

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Originally Posted by cashman

disagree sam, think stanley are good enough to reach play-offs, n as fer not caring if they reach em, thats stupid, the cash generated by em would be a great help, think they will just fail to reach em though now, due to squad size, if they aint good enough NAME 7 sides ya have seen better this season? i can only see 1.

I agree with you Cash wholeheartedly. Rochdale in my opinion is the only team that has totally outplayed us.

Outback Ozzy · 24-03-2010, 11:00

I'm with others on this subject. Last night was pants. But to not care about the play-offs is unforgivable. If we make it - fantastic, if we don't - best season in the league since returning 4 years ago.
Must admit, I did something I have only once done before last night, I did the Wigan walk rather than suffer in the traffic chaos after the end of the match. Hopefully a different team will turn up at Bournemouth on Saturday and the pitch at the Crown will be 100% better next Tuesday against Barnet and the rain will stay away from Accrington, not too much to ask is it?

SamF · 24-03-2010, 11:07

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Originally Posted by redder

I agree with you Cash wholeheartedly. Rochdale in my opinion is the only team that has totally outplayed us.

It isn't about starting 11 against starting 11 though is it. Where we have one loan player to cover both Symes and Grant other play off teams have a third and fourth striker. Whereas we have to play the same exhausted players week in week out others have a squad with competition for places.

Starting 11 against starting 11 on our day we can beat anyone, but it aint the way things go. We are losing games due to suspensions and fatigue because we don't have the squad of a play off side.

And Cash as to the not caring about play offs I now realise I could have worded myself a bit better - the money raised from a playoff run would be fantastic as would the days out for the fans. My fear is if we actually won promotion, which we would have a good chance of doing given our cup form with this squad, attendances would plummet when we start losing everyweek again. We as a club are not ready for a promotion and a few more years of being up and about the promotion places of League 2 would do us more good than a year getting thrashed in League 1.

Outback Ozzy · 24-03-2010, 11:10

Why is everyone going on about tired players? They only work for 90 minutes plus any time added on for one or two (maximum) days per week. Wish I could have a job like that. Yes they have to train and yes I know heavy pitches play a part, but jeez, what is the recovery time after a match - are we saying over 7 days!

cashman · 24-03-2010, 11:30

my idea of a perfect scenario sam, is to reach the play off final,end of. the money generated would hopefully enable coley to make additions, to my mind all we lack is streangth in depth.

Exile on Spencer St · 24-03-2010, 12:26

Talking of strength in depth, what was the point of bringing in McCarten? Admittedly since he came on the scene the back four have continued to play well (maybe that was the point). Hoped to see what he was made of at Barnet, but he wasn't needed. Ditto Rotherham. He might have been sent on against Rochdale, but the dam burst so quickly there was no point or time to shore up the defence. And last night he wasn't even on the bench.
Is he not someone's nephew?

Redraine · 24-03-2010, 13:23

What a bad night! Having carefully negotiated the dark, slippery metal steps down behind the Crown I glanced up at the floodlights and promptly tripped over a bloody big traffic cone which some berk had left in the way. Next thing I knew, two kind gentlemen were trying to haul me to my feet, but I was hurting a lot and wanted to stay down to recover. I must have banged my ribs on the base of the upturned cone and also received cracks on each leg. After a bit I staggered onto the Clayton end after assuring the good samaritans that I didn't need first aid, but I was feeling awful. I couldn't give my usual vocal support to the Ultras all night, but they sure didn't need it! Driving home was agony and I went straight to bed with a couple of pain-killers, with Mrs Red's admonishment for not missing the game and going straight to hospital! Feeling much better today, thank God, so long as I don't laugh, cough or sneeze.
Oh yes - the game. Largely forgettable apart from the amazing Ultras, but I though Gary King was unlucky with his header - not quite the free header which Shaker describes, plus we had two good shouts for handball penalties in the second half. No Chris Turner again - UNBELIEVABLE!
Many thanks again to the two guys who came to my rescue, whoever you are. What about an extra floodlight for that area at the Crown steps though? I remember Choirboy coming a cropper on the steps not so long ago.

shakermaker · 24-03-2010, 13:28

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Originally Posted by Outback Ozzy

Why is everyone going on about tired players? They only work for 90 minutes plus any time added on for one or two (maximum) days per week. Wish I could have a job like that. Yes they have to train and yes I know heavy pitches play a part, but jeez, what is the recovery time after a match - are we saying over 7 days!

It is not a surprise to see the players exhausted; just look at how many of our starting xi from last night have completed a full season in the football league before:-

Dunbavin? Nope.
Lees? Nope.
Edwards? Yes.
Kempson? Nope.
Winnard? Nope.
Ryan? Yes, but only for the first time last season.
Joyce? Nope.
Procter? Yes.
Miles? Sort of; he only turns up for 90 minutes per season.
Grant? No.
Kee? No.

It's the curse of having such a young squad. Not only are they struggling with fitness towards the end of the season, but it's tougher for them to prepare psychologically for the next game after a defeat like Saturday's, purely due to inexperience. This also adds to the inconsistency that's seen us flounder each time we come within sniffing distance of the play-offs.

Whether it's justified or not the entire team looked pooped last night and Coley will have to explore what we've got on the bench to get us through the next few games.

JEFF · 24-03-2010, 13:59

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Originally Posted by SamF

It isn't about starting 11 against starting 11 though is it. Where we have one loan player to cover both Symes and Grant other play off teams have a third and fourth striker. Whereas we have to play the same exhausted players week in week out others have a squad with competition for places.

Starting 11 against starting 11 on our day we can beat anyone, but it aint the way things go. We are losing games due to suspensions and fatigue because we don't have the squad of a play off side.

Bournemouth are up there and they have only had 20 players all season as they are still on a transfer embargo. They seem to be doing OK with their squad of exhausted players week in week out. No doubt we will find out on Saturday.

smudgie · 24-03-2010, 15:04

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Originally Posted by SamF

We as a club are not ready for a promotion and a few more years of being up and about the promotion places of League 2 would do us more good than a year getting thrashed in League 1.

In a nutshell spot on.

Whilst we were all dreaming of the playoff's, considering what has happened this season ill be more than happy with a mid table finish.

Yes its disappointing to lose especially so badly last night, but honestly I dont think theres alot Coley can do looking at our sub options (who he obviously doesnt rate)

King (Has hardly kicked a ball this season but lookes decent to me)
Mcconville (Not good enough yet IMO, could be 1 for the future)
Mullin (1 sub apperance, last season for John im afraid)
Turner (Bad injury early in the season but SURELY must be playing more)
Flynn (Looks a great prospect but hasnt played hardly)
Mccarten (See Flynn)
Murphy (No good enough for me im afraid)

Willie Miller · 24-03-2010, 15:16

I wholeheartedly agree too....

Division 4 for me, till we are plus 2,000 home fans

vicburdett · 24-03-2010, 15:17

i would have to say last night was a big loss to a poor team,prob the worst result all season,but i half expected for reasons which ive said before,as for dale sat i thought we were the best team for 60 mins,their defence could,nt cope with our forwards,and when they got bodies forward our defence could,nt cope with theres,there are 30 points to play for and everyone beating everyone else.a point on sat and hopefully 3 on tuesday and were right back in it.it could go to the last game.

Exile on Spencer St · 24-03-2010, 17:32

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Originally Posted by vicburdett

i would have to say last night was a big loss to a poor team,prob the worst result all season,

Wasn't there but could it have been worse than the performance at Hereford? I'd hoped that was the all time low of the season.

Pendle Red · 24-03-2010, 18:53

The Cobblers have done us twice scoring seven into the process while concending none

Bournemouth have beaten us at the Crown and will prove a stern test for us this Saturday

These two in my mind play to their strengths which are pass & move the ball quickly from one end of the pitch to the other whilst defending in numbers, they are hard to break down but still play good football.

Fitness to be fair should be tip top at this level, they are proffessional footballers it's also about how you prepare, the shape, the formation, looking at opposition's charecteristics how to break them down, how do they attack, how do they defend, who is the key players, who is marking who, set pieces Training Ground stuff.

I still think that the midfield is a problem area with three being Proccy, Joyce & Ryan all good players but those three with Miles wide just does not work, for it to work Joyce has to play a sweeper role in front of the back four with Turner on the Right, Miles/Grant on the Left, Procter & Ryan in the centre and one up top as a lone striker, with the wide men tracking back & bombing forward along with the two central midfielders surging forward.

There are still players on the Bench who can make a difference, the problem is you can use them from the start and they sink or swim or try bring them on as subs to use as impact subs which is a very big ask of anyone given twenty minutes to shine.

Substitutions are more for tactical benefits like changing the shape, shoring up at the back, cover for injuries, giving more width and replacing knackered players.

The Play-Offs are still there for the Reds just need to get back to the basics and do what they do well and move the ball about simply, whilst working for each other.

As for the Play-Offs being too early nonsense!

Redraine · 24-03-2010, 19:04

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Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

Wasn't there but could it have been worse than the performance at Hereford? I'd hoped that was the all time low of the season.

I wasn't at Hereford but I don't think we were as bad as some people have reported. At times we did play some good football without much end product, and as for our players not being passionate enough - RUBBISH.
Nobody has yet given any credit to Burton, who I thought were very strong and mobile in defence, and in Harrad and Pearson had two front men of high quality. You don't need that many chances when you have those two guys up front.