Meeting Mr O'Neill And Rob - Page 3

Redraine · 01-10-2009, 07:22

Have a look for yourself, if you fancy something to read to go to sleep by:

FAU PAYE and NIC[/quote]

Wow, my head is spinning after just a quick look at all of that. Can see why we have got into such a mess with our scratch admin setup. No excuse, though, as Eric should have had it covered as a successful businessman?

Neil · 01-10-2009, 07:40

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Originally Posted by Shurm

I asked how the debt could be so large for so long and he tried to explain they approximate paye payments each month and its not till the end of year that the taxman says hey hang on we want some more cash.

That sounds like utter bull and maybe even a complete lie.
Most companies use accounts packages that calculate how much is owed to the taxman on a weekly/monthly basis. It sounds to me like they just did not bother to send the cheques.

lancsdave · 01-10-2009, 08:22

Sounds to me like it's tried to be explained in simple terms... badly. Don't know what has gone on in the past but I would be 99.99% certain that Granville is not running the accounts that way now.He is more switched on than most up there.

Doug · 01-10-2009, 08:37

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Originally Posted by accybabs

So when you support Stanley with your presence Doug maybe then you can have your go at me for no reason as you have now!

It’s a difference of opinion on a discussion board, I have no intentions of apologising for it; it saddens me to think that anyone is considered less a supporter because that don’t attend games or are unable to do so for what ever reason. I envy the fact that you go to every game; I would love to but I work seven days a week and even now I never get the hear the second half of a game because I’m out attending my clients needs. In my world there is no difference between a guy who gives 250k to the club and a guy who throws £2.50 in a bucket, nor between you are me. If the passion and care is there you’re a supporter….

Revived Red · 01-10-2009, 08:54

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

Sounds to me like it's tried to be explained in simple terms... badly. Don't know what has gone on in the past but I would be 99.99% certain that Granville is not running the accounts that way now.He is more switched on than most up there.

Quote from a statement on the fishy site on 6 August 2008 : The club has today appointed David O’Neill as General Manager, working alongside the Chief Executive in the day to day running of the club’s affairs off the pitch. David has been running the Commercial Department at the club in a part time role since Christmas, and brings with him a wealth of experience from his own business operations.

JEFF · 01-10-2009, 08:58

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Originally Posted by Shurm

He explained about a £1m injection to transform the coppice end and control room and changing rooms in the form of a grant but they had to put money in as well to get this.

At the Fans Forum we were told categorically that this project would not cost the club a penny. Was this more lies?

JEFF · 01-10-2009, 09:05

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Originally Posted by Shurm

The tax thing, I think the tax people give you guidelines on how much to pay each month and he basically said they had been been under paying it effectively and it eventualy catches up with you.

What a load of rubbish. When anybody receives their wage slip they will see how much has been deducted from their gross wages for PAYE (Income tax) and National Insurance Contributions. This amount is kept by the company to pay to the Revenue & Customs by the 19th of the following month. If any company has not been keeping proper records or paying people without giving them proper wage slips (cash in hand) then when the Revenue & Customs come for an inspection there will be nothing to inspect. The Revenue will then assess the company and charge them for unpaid tax and national insurance, whilst this assessment is being made they may tell the company to pay a certain amount each month to avoid a large payment when the assessment is made.

Revived Red · 01-10-2009, 09:22

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Originally Posted by JEFF

At the Fans Forum we were told categorically that this project would not cost the club a penny. Was this more lies?

Posted by Macca on 6 September :

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod

This development WILL be going ahead (assuming we win the taxman fight) regardless. The money is not being stumped up by the club. 50% of the money is from the Football Foundation and 50% from the Legge (sp?) Project which is some sort of rejuvenation thing.

Plans need to be sent in by the end of this month for ratification. Once that is done the money is sorted and the development will begin after the final game of the season.

And just as an afterthought, I wonder if the plans were submitted by the end of September.

AccyMad · 01-10-2009, 09:24

I'm glad you think you got the answers you wanted Shurm, but afraid it doesn't change my mind about David O'Neil, I think you've said somewhere that he is sticking by comments he made in last weeks programme and for me personally and others in the ASSF who have worked our socks off during the fund raising those words were needlessly insulting.
He may be right in saying that if he speaks to the press he'll make things worse,
because he certainly has a knack of doing that.

Fourth official · 01-10-2009, 09:25

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Originally Posted by Doug

It’s a difference of opinion on a discussion board, I have no intentions of apologising for it; it saddens me to think that anyone is considered less a supporter because that don’t attend games or are unable to do so for what ever reason. I envy the fact that you go to every game; I would love to but I work seven days a week and even now I never get the hear the second half of a game because I’m out attending my clients needs. In my world there is no difference between a guy who gives 250k to the club and a guy who throws £2.50 in a bucket, nor between you are me. If the passion and care is there you’re a supporter….

No difference at all, if the 250k hits the bottom of the bucket!! were as a lot of donations have,from people who possibly can't afford and haven't made a big song and dance about it.Just looked through the list of those who have donated on the SOS website quickly,couldn't see a certain name making a donation? There might be a bigger picture,but at the moment every £ matters for those who love the club.

Revived Red · 01-10-2009, 09:26

Apologies - I've just realised that ground development topic is being discussed in another thread; and that my comment above duplicates something already written. Sorry!

AccyMad · 01-10-2009, 09:46

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Originally Posted by Fourth official

No difference at all, if the 250k hits the bottom of the bucket!! were as a lot of donations have,from people who possibly can't afford and haven't made a big song and dance about it.Just looked through the list of those who have donated on the SOS website quickly,couldn't see a certain name making a donation? There might be a bigger picture,but at the moment every £ matters for those who love the club.

If you're talking about Ilyas, he has already pledged to match any money given to the fund by the Stanley directors - indeed he then upped his offer and said he would double anything they put in - as yet they haven't come forward so neither has he although I know he is a man of his word and will keep to his offer.
This would be on top of the 250,000 he has offered in exchange for a share issue.

Redraine · 01-10-2009, 10:11

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Originally Posted by Revived Red

First of all, Shurm, thanks for going to the meeting today and for describing the situation as you see it as a result of that meeting.

..... but the club CAN'T stand on its own!

the attendances are not good enough;
no meaningful alternative revenue streams have been developed;
there is no current major sponsorship, and seemingly none on the horizon;
the weaknesses in managing the SOS Appeal are indicative of lack of leadership skills at senior levels.

If the club is to stand on its own, where does he imagine that the money will come from?

Spot on RR. They should be snatching off Ilyas's hand and, far from keeping him at arms length, should be working out with him a programme for ongoing investment which is desperately needed. All this "wanting to work things out for themselves" is clearly pie in the sky. I hope I am wrong, but they are almost certainly going to fall short of the required funds for the taxman by their own efforts. They are going to have to come to an accommodation with Ilyas at some stage. Why are they slating him off to the extent where someone else in his position, of a less forgiving disposition, would justfiably walk away?
The way forward is so painfully obvious it hurts.

Fourth official · 01-10-2009, 10:15

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Originally Posted by AccyMad

If you're talking about Ilyas, he has already pledged to match any money given to the fund by the Stanley directors - indeed he then upped his offer and said he would double anything they put in - as yet they haven't come forward so neither has he although I know he is a man of his word and will keep to his offer.
This would be on top of the 250,000 he has offered in exchange for a share issue.

Just thought he would have made a donation to the SOS fund as a supporter,as others have.

JEFF · 01-10-2009, 10:23

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Originally Posted by AccyMad

If you're talking about Ilyas, he has already pledged to match any money given to the fund by the Stanley directors - indeed he then upped his offer and said he would double anything they put in - as yet they haven't come forward so neither has he although I know he is a man of his word and will keep to his offer.
This would be on top of the 250,000 he has offered in exchange for a share issue.

I cannot see the names of any of the current Directors of Stanley on the roll of honour.