Members ASSF Ltd - Page 2

Redskin · 01-10-2009, 23:44

Please answer me this last question.........Why should I believe that you, as a collective ASSF, can run a football club?

Redskin · 02-10-2009, 00:08

What's wrong?..........have to call a meeting to put together a response?

I'm asking a serious question and you are still on line!....Transparency you've been asking for!......PMPL

shakermaker · 02-10-2009, 01:45

Seeing as the thread's already been spoiled and got it's very own troll I presume it's ok to post.

I don't think there's any need to ask the committee members to justify their 'Stanleyness', even if they have no problem doing so. As I understand it, any fan could've joined the ASSF committee if they wanted to. Also, as far as I know, the committee won't be 'running the club'. They'll be a group of people representing the fan base. They won't be above anyone or in any position of individual power. That's how I see it anyway.

David O'Neil is struggling - whether that's due to underestimating the mess left by Eric or whatever. The club needs help and should welcome it when true fans offer it. At least open a proper dialogue. Just fill in the CC box!

Probably the wrong place for that last paragraph but who cares.

lancsdave · 02-10-2009, 06:17

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Originally Posted by Redskin

What "Unconditional" donation/s has the committee, or individuals given to the SOS fund?

Thanks!

I know about half the names on that list and do know they have given personally or been heavily involved in various fund raising events.

maccawozzagod · 02-10-2009, 07:37

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Originally Posted by Willie Miller

I find it bonkers that fans who have joined a committee have to write thier life story on here to justify joining the said committee....

it's not to justify anything Jase, it's just to say who we are. Most people know a few of us but likewise there are names on there that nobody at all knows.

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Originally Posted by Redskin

Question?...What competence would you bring to the running of ASFC?..individually or as a collective?

what competence does anybody bring? Every option we have had over the years has had some degree of incompetence - be it balancing books or communication or both.

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Originally Posted by Redskin

What "Unconditional" donation/s has the committee, or individuals given to the SOS fund?
Thanks!

a £25,000 loan to tide the club over during the lean months for one thing - do you not read the website, forum or newspapers?
some if not all of us are involved daily with fundraising efforts, manning stalls, selling Gold Bond tickets.

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Originally Posted by Redskin

Just my opinion!........I seriously fear for the club if any committee takes the reigns!.......and here lies the problem!...Little people stood behind one man with what appears to be a personal agenda against the directors and chairman of ASFC!....UNCONDITIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you calling Loweiy little? in all seriousness you are right to have fears. But why should a committeee be any worse than having one man responsible for everything? Eric Whalley was a one man crusade to run ASFC, every decision had to go through him. Some were right and some were wrong. The decision to pay some things before the tax bill was clearly a wrong decision and would have been taken despite the best advice of all around him - we were hoping for the crowds to pick up, we were hoping for the big cup draw. It was a gamble that should never have been taken. A committee made up of long standing supporters of this great club would not allow such gambles to be taken. Said committee would also never fail to work with the best interests of the club at heart.

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Originally Posted by Redskin

Please answer me this last question.........Why should I believe that you, as a collective ASSF, can run a football club?

why should you believe that The Don can? why should you believe that the next person to make an offer can? you don't know and neither do I if all honesty is taken but its not rocket science when you break it down. There are people already at the club who know what their day to day jobs are in order to maintain FL membership and the rest is just daily common sense, don't spend what you haven't got, you can't sell what you haven't got, answer emails to customers, let folk know whats happening, pay the taxes on time etc etc. Far easier to do if you start with a clean slate on the accounts don't you think?

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Originally Posted by Redskin

What's wrong?..........have to call a meeting to put together a response? ... PMPL

this kinda adequately sums up your postings last night Redskin. From your first post claiming not to know what this was all about to the last one claiming to have ****ed your pants.

In my first post I asked that this thread be kept clear of litter so that the information, as requested, was all in one easy to read place. Well done little man, you have managed to spoil it. If you havce any serious questions then feel free to ask them - elsewhere.

Whatever people think of groups such as the ASSF I think that should at least respect the fact that they are there and are trying to help. It might not be the best deal to suit all parties - but it is the best deal to suit ASFC, and that is why we are all here.

Should any other groups of people wish to get themselves together and form some sort of coalition in order to provide David O'Neil with the funds to run his business then feel free. If anybody else wants to conditionally or unconditionally put money into the club then place your offer on the table and it will be dealt with.

Doug · 02-10-2009, 08:29

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Originally Posted by shakermaker

Seeing as the thread's already been spoiled and got it's very own troll I presume it's ok to post.

I don't think there's any need to ask the committee members to justify their 'Stanleyness', even if they have no problem doing so. As I understand it, any fan could've joined the ASSF committee if they wanted to. Also, as far as I know, the committee won't be 'running the club'. They'll be a group of people representing the fan base. They won't be above anyone or in any position of individual power. That's how I see it anyway.

David O'Neil is struggling - whether that's due to underestimating the mess left by Eric or whatever. The club needs help and should welcome it when true fans offer it. At least open a proper dialogue. Just fill in the CC box!

Probably the wrong place for that last paragraph but who cares.

Proving Stanleyness was never the point, their commitment to Accrington Stanley was never in doubt.......

AccyMad · 02-10-2009, 08:38

Good post Macca, was trying to find the words to answer Redskin but you beat me to it.

Jase - Wasn't trying to justify anything - just though Doug wanted a little personal information so he knows we're not a bunch of strangers but in answer to your queries - no, no & definately yes -for more years than I care to remember

Redskin · 02-10-2009, 09:19

Not sure you answered anything really!.........interesteing that you all seem to have different hymn sheets!!!.....

On Stanley On!

Redskin · 02-10-2009, 09:23

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod

it's not to justify anything Jase, it's just to say who we are. Most people know a few of us but likewise there are names on there that nobody at all knows.

what competence does anybody bring? Every option we have had over the years has had some degree of incompetence - be it balancing books or communication or both.

a £25,000 loan to tide the club over during the lean months for one thing - do you not read the website, forum or newspapers?
some if not all of us are involved daily with fundraising efforts, manning stalls, selling Gold Bond tickets.

you calling Loweiy little? in all seriousness you are right to have fears. But why should a committeee be any worse than having one man responsible for everything? Eric Whalley was a one man crusade to run ASFC, every decision had to go through him. Some were right and some were wrong. The decision to pay some things before the tax bill was clearly a wrong decision and would have been taken despite the best advice of all around him - we were hoping for the crowds to pick up, we were hoping for the big cup draw. It was a gamble that should never have been taken. A committee made up of long standing supporters of this great club would not allow such gambles to be taken. Said committee would also never fail to work with the best interests of the club at heart.

why should you believe that The Don can? why should you believe that the next person to make an offer can? you don't know and neither do I if all honesty is taken but its not rocket science when you break it down. There are people already at the club who know what their day to day jobs are in order to maintain FL membership and the rest is just daily common sense, don't spend what you haven't got, you can't sell what you haven't got, answer emails to customers, let folk know whats happening, pay the taxes on time etc etc. Far easier to do if you start with a clean slate on the accounts don't you think?

this kinda adequately sums up your postings last night Redskin. From your first post claiming not to know what this was all about to the last one claiming to have ****ed your pants.

In my first post I asked that this thread be kept clear of litter so that the information, as requested, was all in one easy to read place. Well done little man, you have managed to spoil it. If you havce any serious questions then feel free to ask them - elsewhere.

Whatever people think of groups such as the ASSF I think that should at least respect the fact that they are there and are trying to help. It might not be the best deal to suit all parties - but it is the best deal to suit ASFC, and that is why we are all here.

Should any other groups of people wish to get themselves together and form some sort of coalition in order to provide David O'Neil with the funds to run his business then feel free. If anybody else wants to conditionally or unconditionally put money into the club then place your offer on the table and it will be dealt with.

You are demanding Transparency yet when the shoes on the other foot you fail to offer anything different!!!!! Drop the pretence that you lot suggest you known what you are doing!.The ASSF are doing a greatr job in destroying the Stanley, which let's face it, is the ultimate plan, then you can all become the Accrington Saviours!

AccyMad · 02-10-2009, 09:36

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Originally Posted by Redskin

You are demanding Transparency yet when the shoes on the other foot you fail to offer anything different!!!!! Drop the pretence that you lot suggest you known what you are doing!.The ASSF are doing a greatr job in destroying the Stanley, which let's face it, is the ultimate plan, then you can all become the Accrington Saviours!

Without doubt this is the most ridiculous post you have made yet! Are you David O'Neil in disguise?
As for not answering anything, you asked what donations we had so far made and you got the answer - £25,000 was publicly handed over.
Also we have sponsored a couple of games and at least 3 players, we didn't make a song & dance about that but if you doubt the truth of this check the programme on the player sponsorship page.
We had several fund raisers planned over the next year when we (and everyone else) thought we had 12 months to pay the taxman. These were discussed with the lads in the commercial department at the club to ensure we didn't duplicate anything the club had planned.
It was only when we were told that in fact we had only 8 weeks to pay the debt that we put forward the share issue again as we believe that is the only way forward to ensure the survival of the club.
So, tell me again - how exactly is that a plan to destroy Stanley?

Neil · 02-10-2009, 09:49

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Originally Posted by Redskin

interesteing that you all seem to have different hymn sheets

Is that not why committees work? Different ideas thrown into the pot and then a solution decided and debated over.

JEFF · 02-10-2009, 10:12

With all this slagging off of DON, ASSF, Ilyas Khan, etc. everybody seems to have forgotton the person who got us into this mess originally ERIC WHALLEY. As I see it this debt to the taxman hasn't "built up" over the years, it has come about because the wage records were not kept correctly and payments to players were not recorded properly. The Revenue inspected the books and because there were no books to inspect properly the Revenue assessed what Stanley owed them and came up with a figure of £350,000. This was a debt that hadn't been budgeted for so Stanley found themselves into a deep hole with this debt to pay. DON "gave" EW £100,000 to pay off some of the debt which kept the taxman away from the door for a while, EW then didn't bother to pay any of the rest which resulted in this winding up order. EW then did a runner taking more money from DON in his back pocket for his shares and then deserted a sinking ship. DON is trying to stabalise this sinking ship the best he can and ASSF is a last option for him if he fails. We as fans are trying our best to help him and whilst some people may not trust him we have to back him for the moment. I am sure that if there is a shortfall in the money owed and there is a danger of the Club closing DON will go to ASSF with the necessary package to save the Club. It seems as if we are all bitching again and not concentrating on the important thing of saving the Club. All this bitching does is endanger the fund raising so let's concentrate on the positives. We have raised a lot of money for Stanley one way or another and when we get out of this mess if the fund raising continues a lot of money could be raised for future investments. The team are performing well and getting some good results, the fans and Ultras at home and away are terrific in their support, so let's take a leaf out of their book and support and get behind everybody at Stanley who, I am sure, are all doing their best. Finally remember who got us into this mess, it wasn't DON, it wasn't ASSF and it wasn't the supporters.

maccawozzagod · 02-10-2009, 10:13

forget it Accymad, Redskin is just a troll searching for a reaction. He has had his/her answers but doesn't want to read what has been said.

maccawozzagod · 02-10-2009, 10:14

good post Jeff

Bagpuss · 02-10-2009, 13:30

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Originally Posted by JEFF

With all this slagging off of DON, ASSF, Ilyas Khan, etc. everybody seems to have forgotton the person who got us into this mess originally ERIC WHALLEY.

Some of us haven't forgot

Wouldn't this info about members of ASSF be better on a website so we can all read without trolls?