My thoughts on yesterday (Hartlepool) - Page 2

KIPAX · 19-11-2006, 17:04

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Originally Posted by maxwell silver

Idid say over the goal ends.Try reading it again.

I wasnt reffering to your post (so i dont need to re read it thanks) hence the reason i didnt quote it.. i was reffering to the general opinions of a lot of people on here over the last few months.. I didnt even mention you.

Like you say.. your first post on this section and already you think everyones talking about you.... hehehe

maxwell silver · 19-11-2006, 17:16

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Originally Posted by KIPAX

I wasnt reffering to your post (so i dont need to re read it thanks) hence the reason i didnt quote it.. i was reffering to the general opinions of a lot of people on here over the last few months.. I didnt even mention you.

Like you say.. your first post on this section and already you think everyones talking about you.... hehehe

I Know,paranoia setting in . Ill be polite,F*** off.

KIPAX · 19-11-2006, 17:25

Proper football talk

Tin Monkey · 19-11-2006, 17:47

You're right Kipax. Of course it isn't just a lack of roof that stops people coming, but to lose so many fans must make an enormous dent in the mediocre income the club receives anyway. That was my point.
I never stand in the open, even when the Sun is shining. I always stand under the Whinney Hill cover and yesterday it was significantly fuller than it normally is. No surprise there then. When Burnley and Blackburn aren't playing at home we normally pick up the drifters. Yesterday we didn't.

As I said in my original post, I've never mentioned the lack of roof before, but I included the large drop in attendance alongside a number of other observations.

Alvin the chipmunk · 19-11-2006, 17:47

It does not give me great pleasure to criticise a player in a Red shirt, and I will always back players who give 100%. I am also against criticising players too early as it is only fair they should be given a chance, but yesterday for me emphasised two things.

Doherty - Unlike others, I have tried to give the lad time, to settle in and what have you. However, Sean just doesnt look up to it. Pulling out of challenges, stray passes and the inability to beat players. It doent bode well. I only hope Coley sees something in the lad that we don't and that he'll show us all sooner or later.

Cav - This is even more difficult, as Cav is a top bloke who will always give his all for the cause. He is just too slow. Everytime its the same. The winger beats him, Cav goes to ground and concedes a foul. I have no doubt he is a quality player, but surely Phil Edwards must be wondering what he has to do to get a game.

Redraine · 19-11-2006, 18:10

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Originally Posted by Alvin the chipmunk

It does not give me great pleasure to criticise a player in a Red shirt, and I will always back players who give 100%. I am also against criticising players too early as it is only fair they should be given a chance, but yesterday for me emphasised two things.

Doherty - Unlike others, I have tried to give the lad time, to settle in and what have you. However, Sean just doesnt look up to it. Pulling out of challenges, stray passes and the inability to beat players. It doent bode well. I only hope Coley sees something in the lad that we don't and that he'll show us all sooner or later.

Cav - This is even more difficult, as Cav is a top bloke who will always give his all for the cause. He is just too slow. Everytime its the same. The winger beats him, Cav goes to ground and concedes a foul. I have no doubt he is a quality player, but surely Phil Edwards must be wondering what he has to do to get a game.

Absolutely spot on, Alvin. After Doherty's invisible performances at Mansfield and others before, and Coley's enthusiasm over his new signings, why on earth did he not start with Whalley? He looks an impact player who could spark a team performance from the word go. The Cav/Edwards situation is just plain embarrassing.

KIPAX · 19-11-2006, 18:16

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey

When Burnley and Blackburn aren't playing at home we normally pick up the drifters. Yesterday we didn't.

haa now theres a different debate

Was it yesterday or this season? was we picking up blackburn burnley because we where the little non league club who needed there 6 quid... but now we have all the trappings that a lot where trying to get away from.. not to mention the price..

Also not just the drifters but a few who came to us from league because they liked non league and all that comes with non league.... now they are stuck with the very things they left... have they given up on us?

I know a lot of people perversly would prefer non league... I have to say for photography I prefer non league.. but as a supporter i desperatly want us in the league and stay here...

Like you say... theers a lot to it... I just got the impression it was the roofs fault again

Haggis316 · 19-11-2006, 18:22

Swindon (home) I thought the performance was all too obvious when possession was lost in their corner and Fola Onebuje raced away to cross for Peacock's equaliser.

stanerlee · 19-11-2006, 18:51

i think being in the league is a one chance shot. if this continues then we are going to be sucked into a relegation battle.
being really pessimistic if we were relegated then the doors may as well shut on the club again.
tin monkey is spot on about the roof!!! it's not about attracting new fans at this time.......it's about keeping the ones that we've got.
i for one feel a little let down at the moment and yesterday was a little depressing to say the least.... not helped by the weather.
stanley is not the best saturday experience that one can have and it is not aided by a a club management that have missed the boat by about three months to capitalise on the good work from last season.

Bagpuss · 19-11-2006, 19:30

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Originally Posted by stanerlee

stanley is not the best saturday experience that one can have and it is not aided by a a club management that have missed the boat by about three months to capitalise on the good work from last season.

3 months, ha, 6 months maybe but they still haven't got a clue.

PaulMullinsForehead · 19-11-2006, 19:49

Same old same old, year after year! Cold weather arrives and surprise surprise attendances drop, what could be the cause...blah blah blah! Seems pretty simple to me, the footy we are currently playing is dire and folk who would usually come won't because they don't want to pay £13.00 for a cold, I could have brought another two 'fair weather' fans who because of the rain just are not as keen.

At least last season when the weather turned we had a winning team to warm us up. Unless the directors wake up to reality and listen to the clubs more than loyal supporters then there is only one way we are heading. It's simply a joke that a club with such a famous name and potential pulling power cant even have third rate facilities. I was at a family get together this afternoon and it was full of the usual Blackburn/Burnley crew but everyone agreed that if there given team was away they wouldnt come to our place to get a soaking "and besides you can't even get a drink at half time". When is Mr Whalley going to sit up and do something about this? About time you either sort it or it's back to obscurity and a fantastic opportunity wasted. I reckon the tight sod is waiting for the good old OSC to get another lets have a roof campaign. Crap, these lads work hard enough and for no appreciation.

Change in direction required at the top?????? I am fed up with them taking the ****

Doherty!!!!! does not want to pull on the shirt, a little boy in my opinion. Worst player to play at the Crown, and that includes me!

maccawozzagod · 19-11-2006, 20:26

The roof for me is mainly about atmosphere. It would be nice to keep dry but the fantastic noise that we can create is lost without a tin roof. A roof would amplify the noise we make to a point where other people would join in as well so we would end up with about four times as much noise, that then creates continuity of noise. We sang red and white army for nigh on twenty minutes yesterday but who heard it?

The club has banged on in the past about making the Crown a fortress and we need the crowd to help make it hostile, I'd stick my neck out and say that we would be the worst away visit of the season for reasons other than facilities. The atmosphere would bring people back, carnivale is the way forward. The Ultras ethos of bringing colour, atmosphere and vibrancy to the terraces is one to be applauded and one of the few things that ASFC as a whole can do really well aat the moment. Its all academic at present though as they cant afford one. Til January.

maccawozzagod · 19-11-2006, 20:56

oh yeah and where was McGivern yesterday, promising debut last week should have been followed up IMHO

Outback Ozzy · 19-11-2006, 21:55

From a personal point of view, you have all missed the boat. The problem is we only have one wide player in Andy Todd - who IMHO was the best player in red on the park by a country mile. It is as plain as the nose on your face we are missing Gary Roberts! The stats in the League paper prove it:
Shots on goal Accrington 2!!!! Hartlepool 7
Shots off target Accrington 1 Hartlepool 10
Corners Accrington 8 Hartlepool 9
And so it goes on, tell me, just who were the home team yesterday????????
I can honestly say, not many came out of that game with any positives, Andy Todd, Paul Mullin, Bav's, Welchy (although I wish he wouldn't get booked so early in a game), Rocky and Liam.
Sean Doherty is a dead duck IMO, Ian Craney ghosts in and out of games too often, Cav has been good recently but seemed a yard too slow prior to him being replaced. Although I like Phil Edwards as a player, the jury is still out.Lets go to Grimsby next week with a more positive attitude, put both McGivern and Whalley on, we can't get any worse, CAN WE?
I deliberately haven't mentioned the sending off - but now I will. I watched the whole incident from the Hartlepool penalty area to the centre of the pitch and Nelson was all over Harris like a rash. If and its a big IF, Harris has spat at Nelson then he deserved to go. If on the other hand he spat on the ground as he has said to JC, then there must be grounds for appeal, unless the swinging arm to try and release himself from Nelson vice like grip was the violent conduct. For goodness sake, Nelson was twice his size. Personally I think the ref made a mistake to compound the others he made during a poor match.

AccyMad · 19-11-2006, 21:57

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Originally Posted by stanerlee

i think being in the league is a one chance shot. if this continues then we are going to be sucked into a relegation battle.
being really pessimistic if we were relegated then the doors may as well shut on the club again.
tin monkey is spot on about the roof!!! it's not about attracting new fans at this time.......it's about keeping the ones that we've got.
i for one feel a little let down at the moment and yesterday was a little depressing to say the least.... not helped by the weather.
stanley is not the best saturday experience that one can have and it is not aided by a a club management that have missed the boat by about three months to capitalise on the good work from last season.

If we got relegated why do you say the doors may as well shut on the club again? Going back down, if it happens, whilst being at best disappointing at worst absolutely gutting would certainly not mean the club might as well shut up shop! Many of us have followed the reds through years of non league football and bloody well enjoyed it and most wouldn't stop going just becuase we were back there.