Neutral thoughts on the Cheltenham game - Page 2

ferret man · 15-01-2017, 13:49

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Originally Posted by accybeme

some how I can't see us improving by playing two up front
(Kee & Gornell) (Kee & McCartan) the truth is we havn't got a big strong Akinfenwa type player nor could we afford one

Not if they sold him by the lb. (pound)

shakermaker · 15-01-2017, 14:55

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Originally Posted by cashman

Have to disagree, hows it a valid tactic when yeh aint got the midfielders we had last season? that fact alone to me means try other stuff,

I think Coley has been let down by players who possess more quality than they've cared/dared to show. The main culprits being O'Sullivan, Clarke and Kee who have been profligate at best and absent at their worst. Don't get me started on McCartan who is light years away from the Ballon d'Or winner he thinks he is. I like Billy, and he can be excused to a degree owing to his injury problems, but he needs to dig deeper or adapt his game if he is to reach his best levels.
However I half agree as if something clearly isn't working (ie relying on skilled players to support a quality striker with chances and goals), you have to go back to basics and build the nice stuff up from there. We could go 4-4-2 but we don't have any natural wingers, and our forwards aren't exactly mobile. Formations are largely irrelevant but for me we need to find a way to get tight at the back first and foremost which includes getting the goalkeeping situation sorted; it has been one of the biggest but less mentioned problems this season.

cashman · 15-01-2017, 15:23

My own take on it Billy is a damn good player, needs support though he aint big enough to be a one man band, O sullivan aint been half the player this time around imho, have to disagree oer Clark though i rate him,

Crown Grounder · 15-01-2017, 15:30

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Originally Posted by shakermaker

I Formations are largely irrelevant but for me we need to find a way to get tight at the back first and foremost which includes getting the goalkeeping situation sorted; it has been one of the biggest but less mentioned problems this season.

Yeah your right Shaker, goalkeeping has been a problem. First Chapman with his shaky first game, then when Parish got a run in the side he has proved leaky at best, at the near post and under his body.......Chapman still doesn't command his area for a big lad and still looks shaky on occasions.......??..We can't judge the new lad after one game and meeting the team in the warm up. Just hoping he solves our keeper problem within the next couple of games and stays injury free........

Revived Red · 15-01-2017, 15:51

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Originally Posted by accybeme

some how I can't see us improving by playing two up front
(Kee & Gornell) (Kee & McCartan) the truth is we havn't got a big strong Akinfenwa type player nor could we afford one

We had GT-F - but he wasn't given a fair chance.

shakermaker · 15-01-2017, 16:26

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Originally Posted by cashman

My own take on it Billy is a damn good player, needs support though he aint big enough to be a one man band, O sullivan aint been half the player this time around imho, have to disagree oer Clark though i rate him,

I rate him, too. But that's kind of my point. He's played 30 games this season so far in all competitions but only scored 2 goals (0 in the league). A player of his talent should be providing much better output. Same with O'Sullivan. I'd like to see more direct players come in this month to shake up the current crop.

cashman · 15-01-2017, 16:42

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Originally Posted by shakermaker

I rate him, too. But that's kind of my point. He's played 30 games this season so far in all competitions but only scored 2 goals (0 in the league). A player of his talent should be providing much better output. Same with O'Sullivan. I'd like to see more direct players come in this month to shake up the current crop.

Can't disagree shaker, but to me apart from injury, the difference is last season we had attacking midfielders which provided great assistance, this term as i have said before our midfield play predominantly sideways and back. why this has not been addressed is beyond my comprehension.thats what training should be all about to me.

Chrisr · 15-01-2017, 22:26

It does seem that we all seem to agree on the basic problems. perhaps the management should look at themselves and admit they are at a loss as to what to do. I do resent the implication that I am a Coley Hater as I am nothing of the sort. I am hoping and willing it to come right and I am aware of what he has done with the club. But if we want to progress then changes in personnel may have to happen. if it was a player they would have already been gone. I am surprised Andy has not expressed serious concern to JC about the results. The simple fact is there for all to see. we are not good enough at this moment. we have heard players named O'Sullivan at the last home game could have sat in the main stand and had a brew while waiting for a pass from the centre midfield who never seem to look up and spread the game wide. Piero had the same problem. have we learned. Nah.

Stanley92 · 15-01-2017, 23:38

Consensus seems to be that earlier/more direct balls forward is needed. Thoughts on the Beckles and Hughes partnership? Felt they did well yesterday until the sending off.

Exile on Spencer St · 16-01-2017, 09:15

Despite the scoreline on Saturday, I really don't think Stanley's problems are the back four.

cashman · 16-01-2017, 09:59

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Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

Despite the scoreline on Saturday, I really don't think Stanley's problems are the back four.

I agree completely.

Inspector Morse · 16-01-2017, 10:02

I think defence has been OK, keepers apart.

Too many creative players not cut the mustard this season:
ie. Mccarten, O'sullivan, Clarke, McConville, Gornell

No options due to sub-standard recruitment:
Eagles, Hery, GTF,

No creativity/drive in midfield; Seamus and Scott Brown too similar- neither provides any attacking thrust.

Inspector Morse · 16-01-2017, 10:07

'I think defence has been OK, keepers apart.

'Too many creative players not cut the mustard this season:
ie. Mccarten, O'sullivan, Clarke, McConville, Gornell

No options due to sub-standard recruitment:
Eagles, Hery, GTF,

No creativity/drive in midfield; Seamus and Scott Brown too similar- neither provides any attacking thrust.'

Forgot to add no leadership in midfield.

yonmon · 16-01-2017, 10:37

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Originally Posted by Inspector Morse

'I think defence has been OK, keepers apart.

'Too many creative players not cut the mustard this season:
ie. Mccarten, O'sullivan, Clarke, McConville, Gornell

No options due to sub-standard recruitment:
Eagles, Hery, GTF,

No creativity/drive in midfield; Seamus and Scott Brown too similar- neither provides any attacking thrust.'

Forgot to add no leadership in midfield.

Glad to see that we are at last including our Captain in this critique !
Watching him , instead of the game !...I have noted that he seldom ,I if ever, makes the right space for himself and thus has little or no option but to play his now famous sideways/backwards pass !. This often negates any forward momentum which the team have going at that moment, and some enterprising opposition midfielder, having watched video highlights of Seamus in action, must be pleased to know that a quiet afternoon is in the offing.
He is not , in my opinion, a player of sufficient quality to play in, let alone skipper a Football League team ! .... am I getting hypercritical again ?

monkey hanger · 16-01-2017, 10:44

[QUOTE=cashman, have to disagree oer Clark though i rate him,[/QUOTE]

just don,t see what anyone can see in jordan clark apart from the goal at bradford. he,s like a lot we,ve had over the seasons, only in the game for short periods and never seems to do much either. as for the one up front lark was listening to radio tees on saturday as this was brought up by the guy commontating on hartlepools who also play the system. he said ot might work in the premier but at our level he would go for 2 upfront in every game. seems we,re not on our own.