O'Neil Where Are You ?

[lancsdave]

Out of curioisty, is the 120k being matched by the ASSF, or is it 60k being matched by the ASSF ? If it's the former that would make 240k, add that to 80k and the debt is paid is it not ?

[bdc]

Can anyone tell me what was said by Rob and Ilyas as i missed it on 2br?

[Minister Onymfo]

Not sure if Hasyred is asking me if I am involved with running the club but the answer is no.
I have no axe to grind with either party, I think that Ilyas's gesture is very noble and it would be nice if the club would accept his offer of help as we could all get on with the business of worrying about the results on the field, but they haven't accepted yet for their own reasons.
I have listen to both Rob and Ilyas on the radio tonight, Rob has explained that David O'Neill's comments were borne out of frustration - he has put alot of money into the club and still his commitment is being questioned, I am sure I'd be a bit peeved in that situation. Ilyas too is frustrated because he is offering to help the club but as of yet there has been no up take of this offer. I do know that the club is a business that puts a lot of demands on its employee's time even without the strains of the current crisis as a result I doubt there is little time at the ideal time of the day to start going into the finer points of the running of the club or the fund raising. Maybe they realised that collecting funds in such a short space of time would always be difficult and thus are spending time finding ways of raising the sums of money required in the time scale.

One thing is certain the split between all the interested parties will do Accrington Stanley no favours in the short and long term. For God's sake bite your tongues and concentrate on getting the club out of the current crisis. This is a time for forming alliances not factions, let's stick together and see this through

[Shurm]

Originally Posted by Minister Onymfo

Not sure if Hasyred is asking me if I am involved with running the club but the answer is no.
I have no axe to grind with either party, I think that Ilyas's gesture is very noble and it would be nice if the club would accept his offer of help as we could all get on with the business of worrying about the results on the field, but they haven't accepted yet for their own reasons.
I have listen to both Rob and Ilyas on the radio tonight, Rob has explained that David O'Neill's comments were borne out of frustration - he has put alot of money into the club and still his commitment is being questioned, I am sure I'd be a bit peeved in that situation. Ilyas too is frustrated because he is offering to help the club but as of yet there has been no up take of this offer. I do know that the club is a business that puts a lot of demands on its employee's time even without the strains of the current crisis as a result I doubt there is little time at the ideal time of the day to start going into the finer points of the running of the club or the fund raising. Maybe they realised that collecting funds in such a short space of time would always be difficult and thus are spending time finding ways of raising the sums of money required in the time scale.

One thing is certain the split between all the interested parties will do Accrington Stanley no favours in the short and long term. For God's sake bite your tongues and concentrate on getting the club out of the current crisis. This is a time for forming alliances not factions, let's stick together and see this through

Sorry I feel its gone too far without the Chairman actually telling us what is going on and opening up why should people still give him money ? The money is there all he has to do is ask for help, his selfish pride is holding the club up from sorting this, for Gods sake he won't even speak to anyone he just lives in his Ivory Tower.

[SamF]

Originally Posted by Shurm

for Gods sake he won't even speak to anyone he just lives in his Ivory Tower.

You've seen what happens when he speaks...

To be honest I think he is simply a bloke who was in the wrong place at the wrong time and must now be wondering what the hell he has got himself into - he isn't blessed the Google Page Ranking skills of some others, hell he isn't blessed with the Google Page Ranking skills of a pickle but he has put a lot of money into the club and that should be appreciated. I hope he hands over to the ASSF soon and in 12 months when we're safe and the future is bright the public will look back and thank him for what he has done right rather than what he has done wrong.

[Minister Onymfo]

[quote=yonmon;749257]My only comment is ...Why didn't they do this as soon as the HMRC 'Emergency' presented itself????.....If they've got £100K+ secreted away somewhere in their joint Coffer...why hide it from everyone for so long???...Just think what a gesture it would have been to all who want to see the survival of the club assured !....just think what a powerful motivator it would have been to the Fundraising efforts...

As far as I am aware nobody involved in the club has that kind of wealth easily at their disposal. I don't know that for a fact but common sense tells me I am probably right. Let's face it selling the family silver takes time. Blimey it takes the insurance company two months to send a bloody cheque when an endowment policy matures and that is when they have known it was coming for the previous 10 years. Consequently, to promise you will stump up funds before you know how much you will be able to raise would be folly. Maybe if they'd have told the tax man they had a third of money available he'd have cut his losses taken the £120k and wound up the club

[Shurm]

Well he has done b@@@@R all yet and time is running out.

Is it me or what, but if I was the Chairman at this moment I'd be on the front page of the Observer every week, on the pitch at half time thanking people for their donations and help, on here drumming up support and generally being in the public eye doing everything I could to save the club and keep myself at the helm.

I get the impression he just watches the money roll in and thinks well thats a bit less I have to stump up.

Sorry sat on fence too long its a joke.

[Doug]

I don’t recall Rob saying that the club was taking out a loan to pay into the fund; I understood it to mean that three of them where putting in between them a total of £100 to £120k. I took that to mean that they where each taking personal responsibility for there individual contribution, i.e. they are taking out loans personally to input in to the fund, not the club taking on debt. Also conceder this, no Bank will give that sort of loan to the club, we have a CCJ registered against us and a winding up order that will take effect within a couple of weeks if this doesn’t come off.

I think its going to be their personal debt and for that if true, they should at least have the right to be given a chance, if not respected. If this is personal loans and it goes tits up it’s possibly their homes on the line.

[Shurm]

Originally Posted by Doug

I don’t recall Rob saying that the club was taking out a loan to pay into the fund; I understood it to mean that three of them where putting in between them a total of £100 to £120k. I took that to mean that they where each taking personal responsibility for there individual contribution, i.e. they are taking out loans personally to input in to the fund, not the club taking on debt. Also conceder this, no Bank will give that sort of loan to the club, we have a CCJ registered against us and a winding up order that will take effect within a couple of weeks if this doesn’t come off.

I think its going to be their personal debt and for that if true, they should at least have the right to be given a chance if not respected. If this personal loans and it goes tits up it’s possibly their homes on the line.

Well if thats true why didn't he say that I'm sure people would respect them more if thats true but then again it could all be hot air who knows ?

[accybabs]

I believe he's on holiday or just got back,alright for some! While he has all his mugs collecting money for him! He doesn't deserve the fans or the club!!! If he doesn't want to pay out of his own pocket he should give up his shares to the ASSF, so the people that really care for the club will take care of it and not use it for an ego trip.

O'Neil doesn't want to be transparent because we will see him for the liar he is!!!
Lets hope he takes the hint sooner rather than later.

[Minister Onymfo]

Let's not forget that what really needed to happen is that crowds needed to be bigger, proper money through the door and not perrenial hand outs . For the last two home games that has happened. The crisis galvanised fans of all clubs in a bid to help one of their own. People from the Accrington Stanley catchment area have started to watch us again, some haven't been for years or never been at all before, but now they are saying they will come regularly. We need to show a combined effort in this situation if we are to be sure that we don't put people off coming. It would be tragic if these new friends of the club where to stay away because of ill feeling towards the club they have been asked to support.

[Doug]

Originally Posted by Shurm

Well if thats true why didn't he say that I'm sure people would respect them more if thats true but then again it could all be hot air who knows ?

I guess we won’t really know until their all lining up at the dole office; apart from “M” she as contacts.

We also have to consider that avenue as well, if they fail to raise the funds and they rule out working with the ASSF, they may well find themselves unemployed.

I’m sad that many at the club feel let down by our criticism of the in action that with believe we’ve seen; I think it’s true to say that out right leadership as failed to materialise; but maybe it’s an adjustment issue. The club and its employees have been use to many years of Eric’s rule and none of them have been off the lead so to speak, even Mr. O’Neil will have become accustomed to doing as he’s told in the short he’s been there.

At the end of the day the only solution is a joint one; work together, resolve personal issues; if not then the two main protagonists retire from the front line and take honorary positions and let the club and the ASSF come together and take us forward.

[Doug]

Originally Posted by accybabs

I believe he's on holiday or just got back,alright for some! While he has all his mugs collecting money for him! He doesn't deserve the fans or the club!!! If he doesn't want to pay out of his own pocket he should give up his shares to the ASSF, so the people that really care for the club will take care of it and not use it for an ego trip.

O'Neil doesn't want to be transparent because we will see him for the liar he is!!!
Lets hope he takes the hint sooner rather than later.

We are accountable for what we say on here Babs.......

[Shurm]

Originally Posted by Minister Onymfo

Let's not forget that what really needed to happen is that crowds needed to be bigger, proper money through the door and not perrenial hand outs . For the last two home games that has happened. The crisis galvanised fans of all clubs in a bid to help one of their own. People from the Accrington Stanley catchment area have started to watch us again, some haven't been for years or never been at all before, but now they are saying they will come regularly. We need to show a combined effort in this situation if we are to be sure that we don't put people off coming. It would be tragic if these new friends of the club where to stay away because of ill feeling towards the club they have been asked to support.

Ill feeling !!!! I'm sure more people would come if they knew it was being run properly with input from the fans and people that really cared for the club instead of some Chairman that appears to stick two fingers up at you all.

Yes we all need to rally round but not round this regime its not up front and doesn't deserve or appreciate the money your giving it.

[mab]

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