O'Neill OUT! - Page 5

Willie Miller · 29-10-2009, 18:06

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Originally Posted by Doug

Bollocks; I stopped sending £15 for each home game when the sos site went over a week without being up dated in protest, I still paid up for other activities and the money had better had gone to the club.

If this offends tough; if you withhold your money you will hurt the club, wake up its not going in anyone’s pocket, it’s paying the clubs way, you stop spending we will be right back were we started.

Everyone will have their own way of trying to implement change Doug.... Dave's ain't b@@clocks..... its just HIS way....

He drove all the way from LOndon for last nights protest fella!

Doug · 29-10-2009, 18:09

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Originally Posted by Willie Miller

Everyone will have their own way of trying to implement change Doug.... Dave's ain't b@@clocks..... its just HIS way....

He drove all the way from LOndon for last nights protest fella!

Willie I didn't say he was bolcocks. I meant not paying for anything between halfs, the club will still need every penny and more.

I don't know Dave; but for what you tell me I have a lot of respect for his actions. my action was not intended to be personal and I fully accept your post.

DAV007 · 29-10-2009, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Doug

Bollocks; I stopped sending £15 for each home game when the sos site went over a week without being up dated in protest, I still paid up for other activities and the money had better had gone to the club.

If this offends tough; if you withhold your money you will hurt the club, wake up its not going in anyone’s pocket, it’s paying the clubs way, you stop spending we will be right back were we started.

The same mentality and argument was why so many fans refused to ask questions and supported the SOS blindly.

O'neill is a buisness man. He has control of the club and the finances of the club ultimatly are his responsibility.
He may feel uncomfortable with protests,
he might not like the witch hunt for transparency and truth,
but what will definatly make him aware of how I feel is by not spending a penny at the club going forward.

Does it mean I wont attend cup games or away games - no.
But I certainly wont be buying any merchandise.

This IMO, is the best way of making him take note of my grievance.

Money is the only thing he seems concerned about.

Doug · 29-10-2009, 18:29

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Originally Posted by DAV007

The same mentality and argument was why so many fans refused to ask questions and supported the SOS blindly.

O'neill is a buisness man. He has control of the club and the finances of the club ultimatly are his responsibility.
He may feel uncomfortable with protests,
he might not like the witch hunt for transparency and truth,
but what will definatly make him aware of how I feel is by not spending a penny at the club going forward.

Does it mean I wont attend cup games or away games - no.
But I certainly wont be buying any merchandise.

This IMO, is the best way of making him take note of my grievance.

Money is the only thing he seems concerned about.

My Mentality and Argument is to continue to support the club blindly or otherwise, not spending won’t hurt David O’Neil by any degree, but if enough of you do it; it will hurt the club.

But I respect your view point we each have to do that which we feel is right, like O’Neil we are responsible by our action or inactions.

Willie Miller · 29-10-2009, 18:40

Anything that implements change (within the law) is every supporters right ....

We want a Supporters Trust
We want no one man to own more than say 30%
We want to know how much we owe & to who

Dave is right, we blindly followed the SOS appeal & were kicked in the teeth. The time for change is now, we MUST act!

theresonlyoneaccy · 29-10-2009, 18:58

If the interests of Mr O'Neill are truly Accrington Stanley then he should go because staying will decrease crowd numbers DANGEROUSLY low. However if his interests aren't Accrington Stanley he should seriously ask himself why he is here with all the problems and negative publicity.
Thank you Ilyas and Peter for saving my town team. You can be the Chairmen anyday.

Chimer · 29-10-2009, 19:04

Not putting money in to the club just means our new fairy godfather will have to dig into his own pocket again when the next tax bill comes around, and the team won't get paid unless the PFA keep shelling out.

Exactly how does that hurt O'Neil ?

I fully understand the feeling and the objective, but that tactic doesn't make sense. Make the point with banners !

cashman · 29-10-2009, 19:10

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Originally Posted by Chimer

Not putting money in to the club just means our new fairy godfather will have to dig into his own pocket again when the next tax bill comes around, and the team won't get paid unless the PFA keep shelling out.

Exactly how does that hurt O'Neil ?

I fully understand the feeling and the objective, but that tactic doesn't make sense. Make the point with banners !

gotta say agree wi chimer n others, i shall continue my usual little ways, Negative Publicity n quest fer truth will do its job, Negative Spending will harm Stanley even more.IMHO.

LongLostSon · 29-10-2009, 19:12

On the subject of changes at the helm, I'm mindful that Mr Khan requested calm to allow things to be worked out over this coming week or so. However, I do feel that the fans have been swatted away like an irritating wasp with bland & meaningless statements both by Rob and Mr O'Neill. It reached the ludicrous point where we could not believe anything they uttered.And then they turn up on the day of reckoning with nowhere near the required sum - after all the blood swet 'n tears that have seen the impossible rise from the ashes of '62, they basically killed the club. Only the uninvited intervention of Messrs Khan/Marsden prevented the unthinkable. So it is likely that we will survive this time but without serious change at the top I would not bet against a repeat next year. As someone said, the two Directors at the Chesterfield meeting nearly got their way. They at least should go immediately with no ifs or buts - what good were/are they ?
I sensed from Rob's radio piece that the next bit of blind hope in the boardroom is that if they keep their heads down for a few weeks all will be forgotten. Not a chance, I for one could not trust them again.
I think it was Yonmon who said that apart from this unholy mess, the fans are fully behind the players and John 'n Jimmy. They must have been training under very unsettling conditions. May they be assured that we, the fans, fully appreciate their professional attitude. Hopefully it will have helped to weld them into an even more one-for-all tight unit and the Stanley young-guns will spectacularly blow Grimsby away t'morra night.

smudgie · 29-10-2009, 19:32

I think to bring people like Mick Schultz etc into the debate is completely wrong in my opinion.

This whole argument has been directed at DON, RH and EW (in bits). Who as we know are unfit to run a Football club.

lancsdave · 29-10-2009, 19:42

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Originally Posted by Willie Miller

I am sure there is a role for him within our future; but that decision, thank god, will not rest with me, a meagre supporter.

Indirectly you may do one day if the Supporters trust has some say in the running of the club.

In many ways I feel sorry for Rob. If he was an employee of a normal business then I suspect he would have walked away long ago. I suspect if he supported a different team he would also have walked away by now. If you hold the position he does for the team you support I think most people would prefer to try and fix it from within.

Rob is being made accountable by many simply because he is the only one who can speak to the press with any amount of eloquence. In most football clubs the Chairman is not only quite capable of doing that for himself, but also quite willing. It's also fair to say that the club's owner would also speak up in cases like this, as the ownership of the club appears to be subject to various opinions rather than fact I guess that rules that one out to.

I haven't a clue what Rob's qualifications of are doing the job so I can't say if he is capable of doing the job or not. Like any other business the buck stops at the top, Rob is not that person.

cashman · 29-10-2009, 19:42

smudgie please show me were mick schultz has been denegrated?

hes a top geezer n sure folk are well aware of that fact, only place i saw him mentioned on this was in regards to he should/must be kept on.

Doug · 29-10-2009, 19:50

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

Indirectly you may do one day if the Supporters trust has some say in the running of the club.

In many ways I feel sorry for Rob. If he was an employee of a normal business then I suspect he would have walked away long ago. I suspect if he supported a different team he would also have walked away by now. If you hold the position he does for the team you support I think most people would prefer to try and fix it from within.

Rob is being made accountable by many simply because he is the only one who can speak to the press with any amount of eloquence. In most football clubs the Chairman is not only quite capable of doing that for himself, but also quite willing. It's also fair to say that the club's owner would also speak up in cases like this, as the ownership of the club appears to be subject to various opinions rather than fact I guess that rules that one out to.

I haven't a clue what Rob's qualifications of are doing the job so I can't say if he is capable of doing the job or not. Like any other business the buck stops at the top, Rob is not that person.

Eloquently put

Revived Red · 29-10-2009, 20:10

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

In many ways I feel sorry for Rob. If he was an employee of a normal business then I suspect he would have walked away long ago. I suspect if he supported a different team he would also have walked away by now. If you hold the position he does for the team you support I think most people would prefer to try and fix it from within.

I would have thought, Dave, that there would come a point where you would say to your Chairman, "No, I'm not going to say that because I believe it is not in the best interest of the club". Arguably he reached that point when he empathised (his word) with Peter Marsden.

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

Rob is being made accountable by many simply because he is the only one who can speak to the press with any amount of eloquence.

Eloquence??

: Apart from that dubious last statement, I don't think what you say is quite true. As Chief Executive, he should have been a driving force behind the SOS Appeal, especially in the absence of the female co-chairperson. At a very basic level, he should have ensured that the fundometer was kept up-to-date. He should have communicated with individuals who made offers of help and who were seemingly ignored. He should not have made banal statements about "the next 48 hours" etc.

lancsdave · 29-10-2009, 20:26

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Originally Posted by Revived Red

I would have thought, Dave, that there would come a point where you would say to your Chairman, "No, I'm not going to say that because I believe it is not in the best interest of the club". Arguably he reached that point when he empathised (his word) with Peter Marsden.

With all due respect to Peter Marsden the club weren't paying him money which kept a roof over his head or his family fed. I don't agree with the way Rob has dealt with matters, I just think he has got different circumstances to deal with than the others at the top. How many of us have stuck jobs out purely because of the circumstances of our lives and a family relying on us ?