Open Forum Event - Page 9

bdc · 23-01-2011, 20:25

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

Not sure what you mean by laoded questions ? Until one issue is resolved either way then the questions will always be the same no matter how many forums they arrange. Unfortunatley until somebody comes out and says something else, then the answers willl always be the same too

It seemed to me that a few questions being asked were to try and get something more out of Rob Heys to see if he has better ideas than just general ones such as putting signs out and about. Ie, putting flesh on the bones of it. I think the way they were worded was to try and make RH looks daft and to show that probably doesn't actually have a concrete strategy to back up the "Back the Boys" campaign.

lancsdave · 23-01-2011, 20:35

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Originally Posted by bdc

It seemed to me that a few questions being asked were to try and get something more out of Rob Heys to see if he has better ideas than just general ones such as putting signs out and about. Ie, putting flesh on the bones of it. I think the way they were worded was to try and make RH looks daft and to show that probably doesn't actually have a concrete strategy to back up the "Back the Boys" campaign.

I guess it depends what people thought the forum was being held for, an ideas forum or a strategy forum. I thought from the advertising blurb as a campaign it was a planned intiative and therefore assumed the flesh was on the bones and the strategy was concrete.

Revived Red · 24-01-2011, 16:43

Unfortunately, those of us not on Facebook cannot contribute to the "101 Ways". I was rather amused by the third suggestion from Accrington Stanley : "Come to a game". I did that on Saturday, only to find that the club could not offer a game for me to watch. Yet another wasted round trip of over 400 miles.

Exile on Spencer St · 24-01-2011, 17:26

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Originally Posted by bdc

It seemed to me that a few questions being asked were to try and get something more out of Rob Heys to see if he has better ideas than just general ones such as putting signs out and about. Ie, putting flesh on the bones of it. I think the way they were worded was to try and make RH looks daft and to show that probably doesn't actually have a concrete strategy to back up the "Back the Boys" campaign.

I wasn't at the forum but I don't see what the problem is with putting questions to a Chief Executive, especially if he finds them difficult. The question I'd like answered by someone who was there is - did the club management convince you that they have a realistic and achievable strategy?
If the answer is no, then Mr Heys would every right to look daft.

bdc · 24-01-2011, 23:00

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Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

I wasn't at the forum but I don't see what the problem is with putting questions to a Chief Executive, especially if he finds them difficult. The question I'd like answered by someone who was there is - did the club management convince you that they have a realistic and achievable strategy?
If the answer is no, then Mr Heys would every right to look daft.

I don't have a problem with people asking fair questions of our Chief Exec as I thought his answers to the strategy were very general and wooly, things that any of us could've come up with. This is what concerns me about the campaign, its all well and good coming up with ideas it's the implementation that will define it. I think that the questions asked were good but were asked to prove a point hence why I was saying loaded questions.

Pendle Red · 25-01-2011, 06:21

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Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

I wasn't at the forum but I don't see what the problem is with putting questions to a Chief Executive, especially if he finds them difficult. The question I'd like answered by someone who was there is - did the club management convince you that they have a realistic and achievable strategy?
If the answer is no, then Mr Heys would every right to look daft.

There is the press conference launch here Accrington Stanley | Facebook in audio in three parts.

What I would like to see is more ideas from the Club that involves them all, involving the fans is one thing in collecting ideas but the Club need to take the lead and come come up with the iniatives.

In the local Friday paper last week the Clarets had a two page spread entitled "Ready Eddie Go" which was basically local business's supporting the appointment of Eddie Howe as Burnley Manager.

That's the sort of thing that works as it shows cohesion between the Club & the local Business Community.

Exile on Spencer St · 25-01-2011, 12:38

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Originally Posted by bdc

I don't have a problem with people asking fair questions of our Chief Exec

Sorry, BDC, if it came across that way, but I wasn't implying you had a problem.

As for Stanley and the local business community, how many barge-pole manufacturers are there in Accrington?

ukcowboy · 25-01-2011, 16:34

Google Page Ranking, sorry mate but dream on! Our club has shot itself in the foot on more than one occasion as far as local business is concerned. If they, or anyone else thinks that local businesses are going to jump at the chance of getting involved then they are delusional. Change at the top has to come first, then and only then can the club start to move forward.

Stanleymad · 25-01-2011, 16:46

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Originally Posted by ukcowboy

Google Page Ranking, sorry mate but dream on! Our club has shot itself in the foot on more than one occasion as far as local business is concerned. If they, or anyone else thinks that local businesses are going to jump at the chance of getting involved then they are delusional. Change at the top has to come first, then and only then can the club start to move forward.

Exactly !!!

Our club at the moment is doing the exact opposite to bfc and other top flight clubs as with burnley ( I have researched

) the club cannot exist without it's town and it's town cannot survive without it's club, if the club struggles as does it's town if the club is on the up the town benefits ( employment, economics and general wellbeing of the town is up - win=win situation - hence why it does play an important role, Brendan flood works on that forefront. We knew 48 yrs ago and given chance again not learning!! That's what's the problem.

Pendle Red · 25-01-2011, 17:09

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Originally Posted by ukcowboy

Google Page Ranking, sorry mate but dream on! Our club has shot itself in the foot on more than one occasion as far as local business is concerned. If they, or anyone else thinks that local businesses are going to jump at the chance of getting involved then they are delusional. Change at the top has to come first, then and only then can the club start to move forward.

Pete sorry if I didn't explain myself the point I was trying to make is the Club has to be proactive they have to be out there on the knocker. in peoples faces telling the Business's & community we do exsist and what can we actively do to encourage them to become involved.

Looking to put things right and not asking what you can do for your Club but what can your Club do for you!

Hope that clears my point up?

ukcowboy · 25-01-2011, 17:47

Neil, I did understand your point, sorry if my reply seemed to say otherwise!

It is all well and good should the club actually become proactive, however my point still stands. Whilst Whalley, and to some extent O'Neil (SOS campaign cock up, lies etc) remain at Stanley, then no local businessman/woman in their right mind would touch us with the preverbial bargepole.

It is true to say that some change has occured at the club, you only have to look at what Lew has done with the shop, and what the Community team has achieved, however I am hard pressed to come up with any others.

Unless and untill changes are made at the top of the pile, then Im afarid that all the good ideas and objectives will amount to nothing more than false promises.............not because the instigators are paying lipservice, but because those above them, the people that pull the strings will, by the very nature of still being at the club, put off/hinder any local businesses looking to get invloved. Whether that involvement is financial or otherwise.............the old saying applies, 'Once bitten, Twice shy'

When you sit down and think about it, that really is a sad state of affairs................in laymans terms, the club is NOT trusted, and neither Whalley or O'Neil have done anything to improve that situation.

Stanleymad · 25-01-2011, 17:48

But you mention whalley or find out whalley still is the owner - many businesses won't be interested. Trouble is mud sticks and still opinion that people won't come back to the club so still not ridding the problem that's why ownership is a big deal

Stanleymad · 25-01-2011, 17:50

Same minds think alike UK lol

ukcowboy · 25-01-2011, 17:52

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Originally Posted by Stanleymad

Same minds think alike UK lol

LOL, yes, and trust you to say it in less bloomin words than me

Pendle Red · 25-01-2011, 18:19

I take onboard and know the points of the ownership issues and like a one legged duck it keeps going around and around.

Can we as fans influence what goes on at the top?

Is there a way for us as fans to emphasise and support those points?

At the end of the day for me at the moment it's about the team on the pitch and I don't want to lose sight of that, that is something we can all influence and do something about by supporting them that surely is the common ground for us all?