Our Defence - Page 3

shakermaker · 06-04-2010, 23:22

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Originally Posted by rude-dog

our defence or lack of it is alarming. we havnt had a balanced back 4 since hollis left. liam has been great as he was good in possession. that is where one of the main problems is for me. none of the back 4 are comfortable on the ball (with kempson and winnard being the main culprits). this results in the hoof ball we all hate. the midfield know its coming so they push forward expecting flick ons. we lose 1st ball and get counter attacked against a shaky defence and a hologram in goal = recipe for disaster.

That's not true. Our defence is relied on too much; too often it is the first rather than the last line to be tested. The midfield is not balanced. Perhaps making Procter captain was a mistake in that respect as our most effective central midfield pairing is Ryan/Joyce. It's simple. As far as uncharacteristic mistakes are concerned, Phil Edwards has to do more than his own workload more often than not and this can lead to mistakes. He's still the best defender in the team, one of the best in the league, and I'm going to go to the other thread and vote him player of the season.

cashman · 06-04-2010, 23:27

Disagree Shaker fer me Winnard has been the most consistent, though would put edwards 2 nd.

shakermaker · 06-04-2010, 23:33

I didn't say anything about consistency

I'd agree with you about Winnard.

rude-dog · 06-04-2010, 23:36

winnard is a good defender and does particularly well against people who have pace, adomah springs to mind. its just painful watching him on the ball, for some 1 who has been at a premiership academy he is very blinkered. count how many times he passes to his winger and how many times he hoofs it next game. 1/3 ratio. consistent defender yes good attacking full back no

shakermaker · 06-04-2010, 23:42

I think I'm the only one who is in favour of Coley's 'four centre halves along the back' mentality. It's ideal for League 2. It just seems that we haven't got the wing play to support that, unfortunately.

cashman · 06-04-2010, 23:47

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Originally Posted by shakermaker

I think I'm the only one who is in favour of Coley's 'four centre halves along the back' mentality. It's ideal for League 2. It just seems that we haven't got the wing play to support that, unfortunately.

i reckon we could have the wing play, fer some strange reason its not utilised as it could be.

sparkie · 07-04-2010, 08:59

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Originally Posted by rude-dog

count how many times he passes to his winger and how many times he hoofs it next game.

I think this comment is a little unfair!! I mean you've got to put it into context.

You say count how many times he passes to his winger, well most of the season that winger has been Mr Invisible himself, John Miles. Its very hard to use your winger as a full back, if they aren't where they are supposed to be, or in many cases with Miles, inexplicably hiding behind an oppo player!! This gives Dean 3 options, pass square to a fellow defender (which is very dangerous), pass into the centre of midfield (which is generally overcrowded and where we stand little chance of using the ball effectively) or do what most full backs are taught through all academy levels and what most promanagers preach regularly, hit the striker.

The idea is that the fullback releases the ball early to the striker, in the air. The striker then knocksdown the ball or controls it and releases either of his wingers to run at the oppo full back and either go past him to the by-line and cross the ball, or deliver the cross early into the space behind the two oppo centre halfs, for either of the strikers, an attacking centre mid or winger from the opposite flank to run onto and finish.

This is a classic counter attacking strategy.

The problem we have is in picking up the knock downs and my favorite moan of the season, second balls. If we won even half of the second balls we fail to be anywhere near in every area of the pitch, we would concede less and find ourselves attacking more.

I the words of Aleksander Orlov . . . . SIMPLES!!!!!

Christies Child · 07-04-2010, 09:31

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod

it would be funny watching a Bury v Morecambe paly off semi final, who would we support?

our perennial 'enemies' from the Bay who we are annually better than over two games but worse than over 46? or our new found love in with the ex-Lancs Mancs? Personally think that we'd have to support the home team at each leg. And supporting Morecambe would give The Ultras the chance to roll out the flags for one extra game this year! How good was it to see the 'Pride of Lancashire' flag displayed at your previous play off with Dagenham, and with all us knowing it wasn't Morecambes! looked good on t'telly

Such a dilemma....but don't worry can't see Bury getting there.

How much for Symes?

smudgie · 07-04-2010, 10:09

A Million

football19 · 07-04-2010, 11:59

Sparkies post is spot on regarding distribution / playing from the back.
What people dont realise is the players are being told / coached to play a certain way. In deanos case its totally opposite to what hes been coached for the last 10 years.
All academy cb s are encouraged to get on the ball and play,bring the ball down instead of heading it !
Div 2 football is totally different ( playing services have a lot to do with it ).
Higher level clubs look for TABS technique,attitude,balance and speed before even considering a player
Its pointless asking the keeper to throw the ball out as hes told not to !!!

cashman · 07-04-2010, 12:08

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Originally Posted by football19

Sparkies post is spot on regarding distribution / playing from the back.
What people dont realise is the players are being told / coached to play a certain way. In deanos case its totally opposite to what hes been coached for the last 10 years.
All academy cb s are encouraged to get on the ball and play,bring the ball down instead of heading it !
Div 2 football is totally different ( playing services have a lot to do with it ).
Higher level clubs look for TABS technique,attitude,balance and speed before even considering a player
Its pointless asking the keeper to throw the ball out as hes told not to !!!

is Div2 totally different though? i aint so sure,

have seen some good attacking sides this season,n yes some hoofers, stanley have played some good attacking stuff at times this term, i think the difference is simply some still have a Non- League Mentality.

Christies Child · 07-04-2010, 12:46

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Originally Posted by smudgie

A Million

a million what?