Players who should go , who should stay ? - Page 2

shakermaker · 28-04-2008, 19:07

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How so? Surely that's where managers come from. Almost all league managers. Some prove to be better than others, but that's a different issue altogether.

It's still scraping the barrel! Coley's bad points consist of tactical nouse & personal immaturity, and so what we would need from a replacement would be an experienced league manager. Ergo, neither a retired player starting in management nor a non league manager wanting a break in the league - would suffice.

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It depends which part of the paper we look at. Goals scored, goal difference, average home attendance - have they improved?

Simple. Points.

Revived Red · 28-04-2008, 20:14

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Sorry - non sequitur. There is ample evidence of recently-retired players and non-league managers having both tactical nous and personal maturity. One has only to look a few miles down the road at Ewood Park.

But if it must be an experienced league manager, I see that one has just become available - Peter Taylor, who says he is awaiting a call from a league club.

In your previous post, you asked for some perspective. Well let's consider some "experienced league managers" who could be available. Peter Reid? Graeme Souness? Brian Kidd? Carlton Palmer? That's just 4 that come straight to mind. Hardly an array of tactical nous and personal maturity on view there.

Anyway, thanks for the debate - it's been interesting.

Kiwi John · 28-04-2008, 20:20

I asked Bobby Gould to his face (he lives here in Havelock Nth for 6 months of the year) if he would ever consider managing a club like Accy.His answer was " Yes,definatly-though his missus might have to be persuaded".

shakermaker · 28-04-2008, 20:24

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Sorry - non sequitur. There is ample evidence of recently-retired players and non-league managers having both tactical nous and personal maturity. One has only to look a few miles down the road at Ewood Park. [...]
Peter Taylor, Peter Reid? Graeme Souness? Brian Kidd? Carlton Palmer?

There's a big difference between Mark Hughes and Carlton Palmer! (Especially seeing as Hughes was an international manager before a domestic one).

The rest in the list? To me, they're just 'names' that (a) we couldn't afford and (b) even if we could afford them, wouldn't last five minutes anyway due to their respective egos.

Wynonie Harris · 28-04-2008, 21:41

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But if it must be an experienced league manager, I see that one has just become available - Peter Taylor, who says he is awaiting a call from a league club.

As he couldn't get Stevenage (average attendance 2,251 and presumably a budget to match) into the Blue Square play-offs, I think he may struggle with the resources available at Stanley!

maccawozzagod · 28-04-2008, 22:11

the only managers name I have come up with who I think could possibly be interested, could possibly do a job and who WOULD do a bit on the getting bums on seats job is Jimmy Mullen. Currently caretaker manager at Walsall and was reportedly in the running before Coleman got the job but wanted too much money. But I'd still stick with the guy who has never took Stanley backwards in nine years.

Revived Red · 28-04-2008, 23:13

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There's a big difference between Mark Hughes and Carlton Palmer!

Of course - that was exactly my point! One is someone who was not an "experienced league manager" (your words) but who had tactical nous and personal maturity; the other is someone who was an experienced league manager but did lack tactical nous and personal maturity.

Revived Red · 28-04-2008, 23:17

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The rest in the list? To me, they're just 'names' that (a) we couldn't afford and (b) even if we could afford them, wouldn't last five minutes anyway due to their respective egos.

Sorry - you have completely missed the point. I was trying to say that they were experienced league managers who lacked tactical nous and personal maturity. I never suggested that there could be any link with Stanley. It was a general point I was trying to make.

Jesus_was_A_red_ · 28-04-2008, 23:27

make it easy keep everyone except
Dunbavin
Brown
evil
williams
branch
todd
carden
mcgivern

Miles might come back like fleetwood would of. Because he also did nothing for us getting quarters and half games playing in an unprefered position.

fc:stanley · 29-04-2008, 08:39

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so what we would need from a replacement would be an experienced league manager. Ergo, neither a retired player starting in management nor a non league manager wanting a break in the league - would suffice.
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In your previous post, you asked for some perspective. Well let's consider some "experienced league managers" who could be available. Peter Reid? Graeme Souness? Brian Kidd? Carlton Palmer? That's just 4 that come straight to mind.

Keep Dreaming Mate! We dont have the money for any of them. And tbh i wouldnt want them. They wouldnt do any more then coley has done so far! I think alot of you including revived red are just greedy. Weve had an alrite season , stayed up in league 2 , i dont get the problem! I really dont! If we dont go up your all after sacking the manager! Where small club that need to get used to the league and to get the right players i and that takes time! Id rather be a stanley fan then a mansfield or a wrexham one at the moment! Be happy! Were playing league football next season! Keep Coley For Deff!

JEFF · 29-04-2008, 10:07

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Where small club that need to get used to the league and to get the right players i and that takes time!

It certainly took Hereford a long time to get the right players didn't it?

Revived Red · 29-04-2008, 14:38

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Keep Dreaming Mate! We dont have the money for any of them. And tbh i wouldnt want them. They wouldnt do any more then coley has done so far! I think alot of you including revived red are just greedy. Weve had an alrite season , stayed up in league 2 , i dont get the problem! I really dont! If we dont go up your all after sacking the manager! Where small club that need to get used to the league and to get the right players i and that takes time! Id rather be a stanley fan then a mansfield or a wrexham one at the moment! Be happy! Were playing league football next season! Keep Coley For Deff!

Please read what I said - not what you think I said. Shakermaker commented that it is only "experienced league managers" who can have tactical nous and personal maturity. All I did was quote 4 "experienced league managers" who lacked tactical nous and/or personal maturity. At no time did I link them with Stanley - nor would I ever want to. Sorry that you did not understand that.

It would have helped if you had followed the posts from the start. All my posts were about general principles. Again, sorry that you did not understand that either.

Please don't attribute to me things that I have not said, suggested or even implied.

Revived Red · 29-04-2008, 14:39

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It certainly took Hereford a long time to get the right players didn't it?

The original quotation referred to did not come from me.

shakermaker · 29-04-2008, 16:16

Sorry RR, was way off! Long day

Well instead of just "experienced league manager", I'll add "with a good record", that do?

yonmon · 29-04-2008, 18:26

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Sorry RR, was way off! Long day

Well instead of just "experienced league manager", I'll add "with a good record", that do?

And now, 2 Seasons on, and assuming that John Coleman is not the mug that many making their unqualified voices heard on our Forum seem to think he is, and this making HIM...'an experienced. !. League Manager'..albeit of a shorter tenure than some of the alternatives suggested...It must be assumed that he has the ability to take this 'experience' on board..and lead he Club to greater things next season.
The possible alternatives, if available, can offer nothing more than JC has given over the years !.

'ON STANLEY...ON!!.....