Signings - Page 15

cashman · 02-07-2017, 19:48

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Originally Posted by st06nc2

While Andy holt is at the club me and my family will not be returning, I wouldn't be behind you in trenches I wouldn't be in a trench only cowards hide should be on the fields fighting

Thats a perfect demonstration of how pathetic you are.

keep the faith · 02-07-2017, 20:18

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Originally Posted by st06nc2

While Andy holt is at the club me and my family will not be returning, I wouldn't be behind you in trenches I wouldn't be in a trench only cowards hide should be on the fields fighting

I'm very happy to hear you're not returning to the ground. Does that mean you won't be posting any more of your ridiculous opinions on here as well? Good riddance.

Wynonie Harris · 02-07-2017, 20:42

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Originally Posted by st06nc2

While Andy holt is at the club me and my family will not be returning

Quite right too. How dare Andy Holt plough money into the club, pay off our debts, improve the pitch to its best ever condition, give us a fanzone at the back of the Clayton End and generally inflict stability on us. Does he not realise we have proud traditions of ramshackle, debt-ridden tinpottedness to maintain!

st06nc2 · 02-07-2017, 20:55

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Quite right too. How dare Andy Holt plough money into the club, pay off our debts, improve the pitch to its best ever condition, give us a fanzone at the back of the Clayton End and generally inflict stability on us. Does he not realise we have proud traditions of ramshackle, debt-ridden tinpottedness to maintain!

How do we know our debts are paid off, as someone has already said we thought we was debt free under Eric, for all we know we could still be in massive debt

deeayess · 02-07-2017, 21:02

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Quite right too. How dare Andy Holt plough money into the club, pay off our debts, improve the pitch to its best ever condition, give us a fanzone at the back of the Clayton End and generally inflict stability on us. Does he not realise we have proud traditions of ramshackle, debt-ridden tinpottedness to maintain!

While trying to bring some sanity into this without being anti Holt he put money in and got shares back. The supporters club helped fund the fan zone and who knows what other money has been available? Likewise the big screen and who knows what's in the background with the rest. Plus as a subsidiary of WHAM will any loss not be offset against the main company for tax so there is some payback especially if the club does well and is sold. That would benefit everyone as we would be successful and he would make money.

As I've said my opinion is that I will give him the benefit of the doubt but it's too early for hero worship.

Wynonie Harris · 02-07-2017, 21:22

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Originally Posted by deeayess

While trying to bring some sanity into this without being anti Holt he put money in and got shares back. The supporters club helped fund the fan zone and who knows what other money has been available? Likewise the big screen and who knows what's in the background with the rest. Plus as a subsidiary of WHAM will any loss not be offset against the main company for tax so there is some payback especially if the club does well and is sold. That would benefit everyone as we would be successful and he would make money.

As I've said my opinion is that I will give him the benefit of the doubt but it's too early for hero worship.

Ok, look at it this way. If Andy Holt hadn't turned up, where would be now? Certainly in a much, much worse position, so we have a lot to be grateful to him for. If that constitutes hero worship, so be it.

deeayess · 02-07-2017, 22:00

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Ok, look at it this way. If Andy Holt hadn't turned up, where would be now? Certainly in a much, much worse position, so we have a lot to be grateful to him for. If that constitutes hero worship, so be it.

It's not what happens now you worry about it's what happens in the future. Newcastle fans though Mike ashley was great at one point as did some rangers fans. Same with Craig whyte. Man utd fans thought Michael Knighton was going to do wonders and what happened there. Brookes mileson at Gretna, Vladimir romanov at hearts and probably many more. Yes he is doing well just now but don't be blinded lest it goes wrong is all I'm saying. If you want to go down that line then fine and I hope you are right.

Wynonie Harris · 02-07-2017, 23:20

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Originally Posted by deeayess

It's not what happens now you worry about it's what happens in the future. Newcastle fans though Mike ashley was great at one point as did some rangers fans. Same with Craig whyte. Man utd fans thought Michael Knighton was going to do wonders and what happened there. Brookes mileson at Gretna, Vladimir romanov at hearts and probably many more. Yes he is doing well just now but don't be blinded lest it goes wrong is all I'm saying. If you want to go down that line then fine and I hope you are right.

So what would our future have been if Andy Holt hadn't stepped in? Slipping further and further into debt, until we had to go back to the town with collecting buckets again? At least now, we have a good chance of making future progress...we had very little before Mr Holt came on the scene!

Lord Didsbury · 03-07-2017, 06:04

Yes, that's right. We shouldn't judge people like Andy Holt on what they have done so far we should judge them on what might possibly happen in future.
Matty P might walk out on the club and sign for Stevenage. Boo hiss to the potential traitor.
Coley may turn out to be a Mason who ritually murders young children. Sack him now before it's too late.
Etc.

deeayess · 03-07-2017, 06:44

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

So what would our future have been if Andy Holt hadn't stepped in? Slipping further and further into debt, until we had to go back to the town with collecting buckets again? At least now, we have a good chance of making future progress...we had very little before Mr Holt came on the scene!

That's exactly what I'm saying though, he has been good for the club and there is no indication that there is anything untoward but to think he is chucking his money at this for no return is a bit naive given that he is a business man who has made a lot of money.

All will be well when things are going well but what will happen if they don't. At the moment burgess gets the blame for things that go wrong and Holt of the good guy who puts them right. Do you really think burgess has that power.

monkey hanger · 03-07-2017, 08:21

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Ok, look at it this way. If Andy Holt hadn't turned up, where would be now? Certainly in a much, much worse position, so we have a lot to be grateful to him for. If that constitutes hero worship, so be it.

i,d bet plenty of other clubs would want that nasty mr.holt involved with their clubs. morecambe, leyton orient, hartlepool the list is endless. suppose some want him to go and we can get someone who,s name we can,t pronounce who,ll attempt to put the club back into the northern premier league.

cashman · 03-07-2017, 08:35

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Originally Posted by monkey hanger

i,d bet plenty of other clubs would want that nasty mr.holt involved with their clubs. morecambe, leyton orient, hartlepool the list is endless. suppose some want him to go and we can get someone who,s name we can,t pronounce who,ll attempt to put the club back into the northern premier league.

Theres 2 kinds of people = Optomists @ Pessimists. give me Optimists any day.

Lord Stiffupperlip · 03-07-2017, 08:57

We haven't kicked a ball yet & already this thread on 'Signings' has descended into a slanging match about a man who dug us out the s***!
I only hope Mr Holt doesn't bother reading this forum.

Inspector Morse · 03-07-2017, 08:59

I think Deeayess makes some good points.
Sensible to be wary of any individual who exerts sole control over any entity.
At the end of the day Holt is a businessman and not the Holy Mothers of the Poor.
If business situation were to change perfectly understandable that he would drop Stanley like a stone as it's only a hobby.
Not anti Holt or pessimistic just realistic.
Do wonder sometimes about the good cop/bad cop Holt/Burgess thing.

monkey hanger · 03-07-2017, 09:46

Not anti Holt or pessimistic just realistic.
Do wonder sometimes about the good cop/bad cop Holt/Burgess thing.[/QUOTE]

don,t think the latter happens though. he,s got a job to do at the club and i know that some don,t like the latters way of doing things. be careful what you wish for inspector. i,m a realist too and know that stanley will not be signing a million pound player, win the league or fa cups or get regular gates of 4000 next season.